Die shrunk Fury X would see some "free" clock increase, shifts the MHz curve about 20% iirc the evaluation of 28nm to 16/14nm.
Look at Polaris, within 10% of Vega in terms of optimal MHz. Polaris did not need a hefty chunk of "clocking" die budget to get there. Something else is going on with...
Hope AMD is dedicating enough resources for Navi to see a big enough improvement in performance/transistor. Something went very wrong with Vega, a die shrunk Fury would have been out a year ago and been similar to Vega56 gaming performance.
Same with a Vega-sized Polaris with GDDR5X. That might...
It's the loss of institutional knowledge and experience we are seeing with the new, cheaper teams in China and India. Let's hope AMD kept some top talent for Navi development. Without major design gains in efficiency AMD will have issues providing good SoCs in both consumer and B2B markets...
This looks bad for Vega perf/W. Now we have the enthusiast community hoping the "prosumer" card was launched to lower expectations (derailing the hype train) and gaming Vega will still be between 1080 and 1080Ti.
Not looking good.
My prediction: Vega HBM will be up against renamed Pascal 20XX cards for holidays 2017. Smaller Vega with GDDR of some flavor and mainstream Volta show up 1H 2018.
Nvidia pricing at the high end is actually tolerable for 2017 with the 1080 and 1070 price drops. Given the costs of the current nodes the 1080 TI pricing is a bit of a surprise pointing to Nvidia expecting AMD Vega to be at least some competition.
They would then have no Q1 Zen revenue booked. Shame AMD appears to have little weight with the MS Windows team combined with unfortunate timing. Note MS is going through a change in their Windows 10 update procedures, they only released security fixes on the February update.
Intel has made similar CPUs, their HEDT line. 6700K/7700K OC is on top of everything for gaming averages, feel free to correct my memory but the only thing Intel's HEDT line got from reviewers was "pricey but worth it if you need the cores".
Personally, I'm waiting for the revised motherboards. Every new uArch it's like this, 2-3 months should see Rev 1.1 boards and MS qualify AMDs Windows 10 submissions. Sounds like there will also be some game patches by then as well.
Zen looks really good actually, except max OC. Wonder why all...
Where are all the efficiency crusaders? Really solid professional/server (non-AVX) CPU imo. Memory controller and IO have actually seen big improvements after AMD went outside for those design blocks. Will likely have to wait for Zen+ for better OC potential. If Polaris is a bellwether for GF...
Hopefully DDR4 3000 15-16-16-35 does alright. The cheapest quality 14 CAS versions are nearly a 50% cost increase from the GSkill deal going on now at the egg.
AMD should just go ahead and allow some sort of "buyer's guidance" teaser.
Looks like my first Zen build will not be a server box, bit on some sale 2x8GB DDR4 3000 RAM.
I like the idea of trying out XFR but also curious to see how close the plain 1700 OC can get to the higher SKUs.
Fingers crossed more AM4 compatible heat sinks are available at launch. Only one on new egg right now is a single new MSI model. Most companies supplying kits will want a Zen Proof of Purchase apparently so 1-2 week wait after buying CPU. I suppose preorders might be accepted?
I've been expecting $450-600 top SKU ever since they showed those "vs 6900K" demos. Softening the blow of having somewhat pricey SKUs "it's half the price of 6900K but beats it for certain uses".
If they are concerned enough they have the funds and fab capacity to deliver multiple new SKUs to act as alternatives for some or all Ryzen SKUs. Dealing with the 8c Ryzen SKUs could be tricky depending on AMD's pricing.
There are bound to be workloads other than what AMD has demoed where Zen is less capable vs Intel. Sounds like they want to charge $450+ for top end and are trying to get as close as possible to a 4GHz advertised boost to help soften the blow for potential customers hoping they would stick to...
Given AMD was still tweaking SKUs I'd say retail availability is the very end of February at the earliest. From the other end AMD high up stated they don't want to just barely make their Q1 target. I'm going to guess it gets released to retail the week before CeBIT so they can capitalize on...
The price difference between this Nvidia service and console+game rental is starkly in the console's favor. I suppose there is the larger game library but who wants to pay $25+ on top of buying a $5-20 "indie" game?
It's extremely unlikely Zen can hit 4+GHz and even come close to being kept cool by products expecting a 95w TDP. It was said they upped the voltage a bit for their 3.4GHz demo, not something needed for a chip that is comfortably hitting 4GHz near stock voltage.
If Zen had that kind of...
4.2-4.4 before power draw gets "crazy" is a fairly reasonable leak from someone very likely to have access to Zen.
Sounds like it may be the design limit of Zen on the node they're using. As the person highlighting the 4.2-4.4GHz statement pointed out, no 4.8/5GHz 4 core on air would mean the...
Yes, roughly 11% behind in that game bench and 6% lower in clock. Closer to Intel than I was expecting. Now I'm a bit worried we won't see a SR7 SKU below $400.
I can see why AMD paid for more foundry freedom from GF. Zen is looking very good given the R&D disparity between AMD and Intel. They need to fast track the mobile APU variant, imo.
I would not be surprised if Zen IPC varies from SB/IB to Haswell/Broadwell depending on task. Have to assume AMD is picking some of the best workloads to justify their planned pricing. Given they are trying to show it as competitive to the 6900k makes me think the full 8 cores will be priced...
I agree, Nvidia does a lot of optimizing for current gen cards. Devs have mentioned how sometimes Nvidia completely replaces their games shader code in driver. It's a big part of the reason they do so well fps/gflop while they are "current". If you upgrade every generation than this would be...
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