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    ***OFFICIAL*** Ryzen 5000 / Zen 3 Launch Thread REVIEWS BEGIN PAGE 39

    "Other than being noisy" doing a lot of work there :p Decent $30-50 coolers perform much better than both the Wraith Max and Prism, never mind the Spire. The Stealth is infinitely better than Intel's stock coolers because it can actually keep the bundled CPUs within spec, but it was very loud...
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    Unlike Cinebench, 720p@360hz is an actual real world scenario if somewhat niche :) Would be nice to see AMD closing the gap in high fps gaming because that's pretty much the last bastion where Intel is strictly superior.
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    I'm not to worried about getting data into the caches, games loop over reasonably small data sets every frame with relatively small changes. You can see the impact cache has on memory bound games in the difference between Zen1 and Zen 2 in something like CSGO.
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    Don't have to take the long way to memory if you hit the L3. It's harder to predict how much the unified L3 contributes compared to a straight up increase in cache size but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the single biggest upgrade in gaming benchmarks, even with the rumoured IF speed increase.
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    Desktop chips *are* server chips for Ryzen and the time frames don't match for a product released late this year. The only way this rumour would make sense for me would be if it's actually Zen3 APUs and the 4000 series bit is a misunderstanding. Edit: that or Zen+ style update maybe.
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    Yeah, my brain had filed away the leaked slide as official so that part of the post is just conjecture. Sorry bout that!
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    CCX is still 4 cores but the L3 is now shared by the two CCX on the die. New AAA titles are still going to be built around this console gen for a good while. I would be surprised if AMD did away with 6c/12t budget options, especially with how popular the 3600 ended up being.
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    Apple's cpus are a great example of this, A12 has double both L1 caches of Skylake X and 6x the L2 and targeting higher clockspeeds would require much worse latencies.
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    It would be impressive but also absolutely necessary to match Intel's pace. Ice Lake might be stuck on a dud node but clock for clock it's still the fastest x86 cpu.
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    On the bleeding edge 22nm process node ;) I thought the endurance on high performance MRAM was still pretty poor but it's been a while since I've paid attention.
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    "Am I out of touch? No, it's the Russians and Eastern Europeans who are wrong."
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    Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

    How are people still parroting this meme
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    Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    1. What are you going to be using your pc for and what's the tradeoff? If it's mostly for gaming and a 3600 will let you put more budget towards a GPU then that's probably the way to go, else the 3700x is looking real good. 2. How much do you value silence? Aftermarket cpu coolers won't reduce...
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    Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    His Turing leak was as accurate as the guesswork of a random anandtech forums poster.
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    Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

    Yeah, I think we'll see a similar pricing structure to the 2XXX series for 8 cores and under, with the dual chiplet ryzen pricing overlapping low-end threadripper slightly. Mockingbird's pricing guesses feel pretty on point to me.
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    News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    The IO die is almost exactly the same size as Summit Ridge with both CCX lopped off (~123mm2 vs 213 - 88 = ~125mm2) so I think we we can pretty safely put the eDRAM rumors to rest.
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    News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    You don't need one for playing games either because you're going to be GPU bottlenecked except for some very specific scenarios. Yet here we are.
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    News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    I'm not sure how to tell you this but there are people out there using computers for things other than videogames.
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    News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    The article you linked measures the maximum power draw with POV-Ray which uses AVX2 instructions while CB doesn't. Intel has always let AVX2/512 workloads run out of spec and the power draw numbers aren't indictive of general use.
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    News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    Direct quote from the Anandtech article: "The Intel system, during Cinebench, ran at 180W. "
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    News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    This is a silly both-sides-ism. I mean, I would love to see the latency numbers cause de-integrating the mem controller is a bold move but a) it's way too early and b) the result would be meaningless for the vast majority of users who will be GPU limited anyways.
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    News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    I also want a pony for my birthday but expecting a full suite of benchmarks 5-6 months ahead of launch is a bit unrealistic when they don't even have the final silicon yet.
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    News AMD previews Ryzen 3rd generation at CES

    Cinebench mimics a real world workload and scales well enough that the results can be extrapolated to other CPU-heavy tasks pretty reliably. It's also well-known and has a massive database of results. You propose they instead use a CPU limited gaming scenario where the results are by nature...
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    64 core EPYC Rome (Zen2)Architecture Overview?

    Some of the earlier roadmaps had "Zen+" as a seperate step between Zen and Zen2 implying that the 14nm+ products would also receive architectural improvements but this was dropped pretty early on. Sadly, the Zen+ moniker stuck around and colored the perception of Pinnicle Ridge.
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    64 core EPYC Rome (Zen2)Architecture Overview?

    Dedicated GPUs aren't a good comparison, since those are likely pad limited. Looking at the Raven Ridge die shot, I'd guess at 40-50mm2 for just the CUs. I'm kind of torn on this because you'd think that the iGPU would benefit from a die shrink, but having more than ~12CUs seems like a massive...
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    AMD “Next Horizon Event" Thread

    I would be inclined to agree if not for a single detail. There's a reasonably good chance that the MCM layout could let AMD ditch the interposer requirement and hook up a 1Hi HBM chip to the iGPU through two IF links. Alright, let me put it this way: I am skeptical that lower main memory access...
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    64 core EPYC Rome (Zen2)Architecture Overview?

    Yeah, while I'm inclined to think that the whole chiplet is a singular core complex, I don't think AMD has said anything about that. Though the PCI-E link stuff seems like a misinterpretation arising from the slides being very vague.
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    64 core EPYC Rome (Zen2)Architecture Overview?

    Besides demolishing 9900K in benches, there's a price point between top end mainstream and low end enthusiast that they could fill reasonably well with 12 to 16 core parts. Think 400-750$ for a theoretical R9 line. Where has AMD stated this?
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    AMD “Next Horizon Event" Thread

    You can have low range parts using a single chiplet AND high end parts using two chiplets without incurring heavy costs. That's the whole point of the design, folks!
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    AMD “Next Horizon Event" Thread

    Y'know and manufacturing costs from being able to minimize the die size on a new process. And being able to bin and reuse those dies across the whole product stack. And being better able to optimize for frequency with most IO spun off to a seperate die. And being able to provide semi-custom...
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    AMD “Next Horizon Event" Thread

    I feel like y'all are talking right past Atari2600 while arguing about the evils of communism 8core R3s. AMD can literally cover the entire consumer desktop range while only using the basic building blocks of a CPU chiplet, IO hub and GPU chiplet. CPU chiplet + IO, 2 CPU chiplets + IO, CPU +...
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    AMD launches Zen+ 12nm Ryzen and X470 motherboards

    Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if 2700X is the top SKU.
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    Ryzen 2 slide in KitGuruTech video

    I've only seen Ryzen 2 used in clickbait articles. Calling Pinnacle Ridge Zen+ implicitly hints at architectural improvements and I think AMD putting up the same core with iGPU and a Devil's Canyon-esque die shrink as the second generation just makes it more confusing for anyone not obsesivly...
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    Ryzen 2 slide in KitGuruTech video

    I'll try to untangle this mess of a post. Zen is the name of the architecture. The next iteration of the Zen architecture was called Zen+ in the earliest roadmaps but later renamed Zen 2. Zen+ isn't a thing anymore, but the tech community has appropriated this name for the 12nm die shrink of...
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    AMD launches Ryzen Mobile 7 2700U & 5 2500U with Vega Graphics

    aka "It's also expensive but in a different way" :D
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    AMD launches Ryzen Mobile 7 2700U & 5 2500U with Vega Graphics

    I agree, CAS values would be way more useful, the memory controller would usually hide some of the latency when hitting the same bank twice, as far as I understand. CAS latency is calculated in clock cycles so even if it was equal between HBM and DDR4, the former would take about twice as long...
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    AMD launches Ryzen Mobile 7 2700U & 5 2500U with Vega Graphics

    The memory bandwidth is definitely going to be a bottleneck. RX 550 has a similar shader throughput with ~3x the memory bandwidth and the 50W TDP includes 4GB GDDR5 so it's not as apples to oranges as it might seem at first glance. As for HBM, using it instead of DDR for system RAM would...
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    [Canard PC Hardware] Intel prepares Ryzen's response behind the scenes

    ~10% higher clocks with no GPU inprovement. What goodness?
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    AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

    The 6 core Ryzen is likely to retail around the same price as the 7700K though.
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    New Zen microarchitecture details

    You know that Naples is pretty likely to be Ryzen dies in a MCM, right?
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