Yeah, looking at the benches -- I'm not really impressed with the 1060. I think Nvidia really overhyped this one. Add the barely adequate amount of VRAM -- I gotta say the RX 480 is the wiser purchase.
Well, 16GB video cards are starting to show up a lot now in industry workstations. But FirePro's aren't particularly cheap. The video cards generally sell for around $3,000 by itself.
Very good points. I haven't tested Radeon cards under Adobe in about a year -- so it is good to hear that they have improved. I will say this, when I last tested the Mercury Playback Engine using Catalyst drivers -- OpenCL acceleration was no faster than CPU only rendering in Premiere CC. In...
It is, exactly that. But Cinebench is generally an academic discussion -- because 95% of the video editors that I've worked with never touch Cinema 4D. It's largely a niche program for a small group of experts.
You guys are once again totally missing the point.
He's talking about Premiere Pro -- and that expensive Xeon setup (when factoring in the motherboard) is an overpriced and largely incremental improvement over an FX-8320e under the best of circumstances in Adobe Suite.
All his money should...
I'll chime in on this one.
If you live near a Micro Center -- the AM3+ bundles are still pretty damn compelling. For About $100, you can get a brand new FX-6300 with motherboard. For $120, you can pick up an FX-8320E with motherboard.
Is the platform dated? Sure. But, we are talking...
Set up to fail? Newegg has nearly sold out (and several other vendors) through there entire stock of them -- and I know the supply is excellent.
The card is the king of value -- nothing can touch its performance for $200. And it is ridiculous that people are comparing it to high end...
Said by the guy who is probably on the Nvidia payroll -- because of all the lies and BS he spreads on this forum.
So tell me o' brilliant one, which Nvidia card that is priced at $199 NEW can power my Oculus Rift? Crickets, yet again.
Insulting other members is not allowed.
Markfw900
Agreed. As someone that owned both -- I will admit that the Vishera is a little mediocre at base clock. But start overclocking and Thuban starts to lag pretty much across the board.
It's probably all a moot point at this late date -- looking at the architecture for Zen..... Zen will...
Well as an owner of a 4790K and 6700K -- it's usually a draw in nearly everything. Under just about every game, there is very little difference in performance :( There are a few things like Cinebench, where the 6700K
does edge out the 4790K.... But the advantage is usually never worth...
OpenCL is definitely a mixed bag even under Vegas / MS13. It is generally better than CPU only (unlike under Adobe), but often only a modest improvement.
I'd recommend reading this article:
http://www.gpurendering.com/technology/CudaVsOpencl.html
Nvidia cards can also process OpenCL, just...
Depends on the business. A few years back, the company I worked for deployed liquid cooled workstations with overclocked i7 3960x for running SolidWorks. Overclocking is very uncommon, though -- that's the only time I saw it in 20 years.
Probably Awful, OpenCL acceleration is absolutely terrible right now.
Haven't found benchmarks specifically for HD530 -- but OpenCL is usually slower than Software Only mode even using high end graphics cards. They have a long way to go for OpenCL optimizations. Right now, Cuda Cores is the...
Just another excuse -- why would it even matter when comparing 2 unlocked chips? But thanks for another amazing observation.
It's a pretty absurd argument -- because OEM's don't even standardize machines with the same CPU. Identical CPU's will be configured in single channel and dual...
You are just making excuses about something you clearly don't know much about. I teach Digital Video at a local college -- I do this stuff everyday.
....And GPU acceleration is far more important to content creation than CPU nowadays (* Just don't try using a dual core -- that will choke most...
Oh sure, your opinion is definitely more valid than an industry accepted benchmark suite -- benchmarks that Intel often quotes in their marketing materials.
Way to go, clearly a fact.
Well, if you actually read what the OP said -- he made it clear that Skylake was too expensive for his build.
Not that anyone actually reads the original posts on this forum.
And yes it does make sense if you can't afford the new platforms.
I love my 6700K, but the chip cost by itself nearly...
The synthetic benchmarks say otherwise:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4430+%40+3.00GHz
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-8300+Eight-Core
And for the same cost of the used Sandy Bridge motherboard -- you can buy brand new 2 FX's with 2 new motheboards from Micro Center..... and have an actual warranty if a component fails. Versus buying a 5 year old motherboard with 5 year old capacitors.
Careful, you're bias is showing. I own both -- and his assessment is correct.
The i5 doesn't multitask as well. Its got half the thread count of an octocore FX -- you can't defy physics, man. Sure the FX's single threaded performance is lukewarm, but a mild overclock can close some of that...
It's got twice the threads -- The FX can multitask like crazy where an i5 hits a brick wall quicker. Superior single threaded performance only goes so far.
Well, if you live near a Micro Center -- it certainly does.
From a performance perspective, you are just not going to beat an FX6300 AND a motherboard for $99. They are basically selling the CPU's for about $60 a piece when you factor in the cost of the motherboard. The FX8320E is just a...
Way to move the goalposts -- That chart, sir, is a benchmark for a Titan with 12 GB of VRAM.
Me thinks a thousand dollar Titan isn't going to bottleneck too many games. But thanks for the laugh.
Just give it up, nobody is buying your snake oil today. FX chips are better at running GTA 5...
Oh, yeah.... The majority of FX chips are generally 1 to 3 frames per second below a 4790K in modern resolutions/settings. That's totally unplayable to all the Intel fanboys.
But hey, let's play GTA V at 640x480 in low detail to make that Intel boner seem larger.
I hate to break it to you...
Kyle is not a journalist -- so AMD's PR team got tired of dealing with his crap. No story here.
Everything I've seen from Polaris looks promising. It will be light years better than the current lineup. Go home Kyle, cry us a river.
Yeah, AMD and Intel use totally different model numbers for marketing purposes. An A8 6500T is not equivalent to a Core i5 6500 in any way.
Passmark rates the i5 around 7040:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-6500+%40+3.20GHz
An A8 is way down around 3385...
Nope.
The Athlon's performance advantage gave AMD over half the retail market at one point:
http://www.geek.com/chips/amd-outsells-intel-in-us-retail-market-560369/
Those days are behind them -- but the revisionist history on this forum is just stupid.
Dude, if you are using Micro Center in the thread -- it is totally disingenuous to not mention the A6 bundle in a discussion about APU's.
It's actually 2 dollars cheaper (after rebate) to buy the A6 7400k APU with a motherboard than buying the APU by itself.
(The A6 sells for $59, but when...
LOL, talk about the understatement of a century.
One would hope that dual 16 thread CPU's would be faster than a single 8 thread chip.
Did you just compare 32 threads of CPU throughput to 8? Seriously? Talk about Apples To Oranges.
I'd bet the dual E5 owns on the World Community Grid...
Yeah, right.... Keep telling yourself that. I've owned both. The FX-8320 cut rendering times by 20% - 30% across the board versus my previous overclocked Phenom X6 1055T. My FX also manages about 5000 points more per day on the World Community Grid versus the Thuban X6. Some people never...
They actually do, but their main strength was never gaming.
FX chips can still render video and crunch integers with amazing speed considering their age.
Nvidia is fabless. 3DFX had a fab.
Do I need to say anything more?
BTW, AMD is probably a much healthier company without a fab. If it weren't for the legacy wafer agreement, they'd already be in a strong market position.
Agreed, an overclocked Vishera Octocore leaves an overclocked Phenom II X6 in the dust at everything. Thubans hit a brick wall way too fast when overclocking.... In comparsion, it is generally not difficult to get a full 1 Ghz overclock on a Vishera.
Just look at the synthetics (Passmark)...
Well, it wasn't my post -- but I did find a little info at least in regards to what Newegg sells. I believe they are simply talking about their store and not nationally, but it is an eye opener.
It appears that the FX-6300 is AMD's best seller.... Which surprised me...... I figured it would...
Exactly, a hyperthreaded dual core executes 4 threads -- So I've never really considered an i3 to be an actual dual core.
In my opinion, the current Intel mainstream lineup is broken. Physical dual cores in the year 2016 is a bad joke.
The Pentium / Celerons should now be hyperthreaded dual...
And they're playing DOTA 2 -- something that an 8 year old netbook can run. Why should these pieces of hardware garbage hold back advancements in game development? The short answer: they shouldn't. You want to play modern games? Well you need to pay the price of admission (buy real...
Nope, other way around. Developers stopped supporting legacy dual core architecture. Dual cores are over
a decade old now -- seriously, put the old horse down.... It's got a broken leg.
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