ATI made a commitment or a statement that it would double the speed/performance of the previous generation of it's GPU. They did not manage to do that with the move from 9500 to 9700, does the R420 nomenclature indicate a doubling of the current generation's performance? It may not be...
I just go a Dell Inspiron 8600 with an ATI 9600 pro gpu - are there any problems updating to the latest drivers?
Ati says that notebook manufacturers provide their own version customized for their notebooks. Anybody with experience on Dell note books could you please let me know?
Thanks!!!
At Beyond3d there are some questions being posted in this forum thread called Q&A with the DirectX dev team, included is the question of the DX team story in this thread. Perhaps answers will be forthcoming. HERE
More grist for the mill, the Det 53's reactivate illegal optimizations. For some reason I can't link to it so here is the url, just copy and paste. http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=2647&head=1&comments=1
What I would like to understand more of, is how the Microsoft WHQL process works. What level of knowledge would MS have on these video drivers? Would they know if there is application detection? or any of the other questionable practices? Could they request that the drivers be unencrypted so...
That is the problem with this situation, how do you give a fair comparison between the contenders, when one uses optimized code and others (ATI and Matrox) apparently do not? If it is unaddressed then what ever shred of value that this benchmark has left is loss. Remember that Derek Perez said...
You are right Stardust,
I meant it to be funny but if it was offensive I do apologize to Thugsrook. I did not mean to have it taken as a personal insult.
As to not replying to you well - you'll get over it.:D
Did you ever hear about the desert nomad who woke up one night in his tent and he was hungry? He lit a lamp and ate fig, he noticed it had a worm so he threw it out. He picked up another fig bit it, found a another worm, he looked at his bowl of figs for a monent then picked up his lamp blew...
Hi Rilescat,
-If it is not important or does not matter then why does NVidia bother to inflate the benchmark numbers? - Nvidia thinks its important-why? Because consumers think it is important and make their buying decisions based upon this benchmark result. Nvidia wants to make money. That...
Careful! Josonja!!!
I posted a thread, "Nvidia PR department hiring Iraqi Information Minister?" and it got locked by the moderator and he called me Spam!!!
Although 3dMark is an artificial benchmark it still offers value if:
1. It reflects real world gaming experience.
2. It stands up to...
IMO a man might look at a prostitute and think that she is prettier than his wife, maybe even cheaper, but he wouldn't use her because it is wrong.
Right now buying anything from Nvidia with all of it's cheats and deceit would mean my ethics are similar to a whoremonger.
But that is just...
This is from Dave Bauman at Beyond 3d talking to Nvidia's representative Derek Perez. Those are weasel words from Nvidia. I would be embarrasssed to have to defend them if I were Derek Perez. It implies that "we can inflate or massage any benchmark score as long as it is not a game!"
Hi Cyberian,
I said that honesty, accountablity and reality were required for the evaluation of Video cards. That is ethics NOT philosophy. I never discussed philosphy at all. Granted the two are related but if I remember correctly it was Insomniak who called my remarks existentialist...
Matthias,
If you read FM's press release, you'll notice that it says only this benchmark is to be used for published results. Legal wise FM does not have to call Nv or ATI cheaters, instead I think it means that the IHV's have to submit to these guidelines or they will be legally liable.
Go over and read this thread, HERE
He wants to talk philosophy and it seemed to me that it would be better done here. So are you an existentialist?, an objective realist?, and ethical hierarchialist?
or do you like to use big words? This may be the thread for you.
Beyond 3d has posted it's results of 3dmark 340 patch patch 340
Make sure you read the conclusion where comments are posted from Nv and ATI.
B.T.W. I really like the way that this review was done. Anandtech reviewers please take note.
Hi Insomniak,
You do like to stir the pot don't you? If you want to discuss existentialist philosophy perhaps you could visit the Off Topic forum, that may be a better venue for this conversation. There must be some pragmatic approach to evaluating the value of a given video card. That is...
Read this press release from 3dMark here: 3dmark I noticed that they say
What would happen if a review site or an IHV's used an older version of the 3dMark? It seems that 3dMark can controll it's use while avoiding litigation with IHV's.
I think it should be emphasized that this report is preliminary. As more web sites use this new 3dmark 2003 version, a clearer picture should be seen. I wonder how Nvidia will respond? Will 3dMark dare to call Nvidia a cheater?
-What is wrong with you guys?
Cheating does matter, honesty is important!
You are selective and inconsitent in your position. If you were consistent in your position then, it doesn't matter to you if your boss or employee cheats you, that's okay?- right? If your wife cheats on you that's...
Hello Insomniak,
You are sheltering yourself from reality or "the real world" as you put it. When reality and accountability are " 'mumbo jumbo" Then you imply that you are not accountable and your life is not based upon reality. Any discussion with you is meaningless....... There are no...
Hello Insomniak,
You said
"gg_melodramatic
You know what companies do? They make money. ATi has it's own batch of shady tactics just as Nvidia has theirs. The world is not perfect. Get over it."
So honesty is not important to you? -Reality does not matter? Accountablity is not...
Nvidia is guilty till proven innocent in my mind. How many cheats does that make this year for Nvidia? - 12 at least?
No surprise here, Nvidia does not have just hardware for sale. It has sold it's integrity and their souls for a few fps. What a mess!!
I am also asking others who may have inside contacts in the industry about this historical development of DX 9. If you have any contacts could you try and elicit some information?
Hi I thought I would pass on an email I got from Josh Walrash writer of the article,
Hello Josh Walrath,
I am trying to get some more background on the DX 9 development history. As you may know there has been some who have thought that Nvidia's absence from the early meetings on the DX9...
I hope that the two compainies come away having learned the right lessons. Like honesty is the best policy, however if Nvidia feels that its dissimulations were effective then it may put more emphasis on massaging the benchmarks than on speed and quality. Needless to say ATI could follow...
I think there's been a lot of revisionist history on these matters but it seems likely to me if it were not true, it would be challenged by Nvidia or it's defenders. It would be a matter of public record somewhere. What I did like about the review was that it had an update on it at the...
I found it interesting that Nvidia did not involve itself in the early devlopment meetings of DX9! That to me is just an amazing statement of who Nvidia's foolishness. It has been asserted, even by some AT posters that there was a conspiracy to hurt Nvidia. Seems Nvidia's wounds are self...
Ben,
Another thing I noticed is that your view of history seems to be unique. I have not seen any other source that has suggested this area of complicity and conspiracy regarding development of Direct 3d standards, there has been no general outcry of foul! or unfair! Yours seems to be a...
Ben,
The history of Direct 3d development is not definitive. Your review of recent history needs to be substantiated with some more corrobration. For my part I would say that Microsoft put forward the proposed standard which ATI accepted and NV rejected. At this juncture, it would be best to...
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