Just out of curiousity, where have you heard this?
Generally changes made between steppings including the changes between engineering sample and production are minor.
The performance will be the same.
We'll also ignore the fact that many people have production / retail chips already ;)
I personally didn't have a problem with the point HOCP was trying to make. However I don't think they should've tried to make that point in the Core2Duo review.
A much more professional way to have gone about it would have been to have two seperate articles:
1) Core 2 Duo review
2) The...
I hate to point this out, again, but neither of you have an 805 running at 4.1Ghz to compare to.
Using your results at 3.5 to extrapolate performance numbers isn't the best methodology.
The more expensive boards, the P5WD2 for example, are simply better overclockers. They seem to be the only boards that let people consistently get 4Ghz+ out of their 800-900 series P4's IF you have the proper cooling.
THG was simply tyring to show how far the 805 could be pushed. Whether or...
For valid input, check post 4 ;)
You're absolutely correct about the thread topic though. It should be about the 805, not about budget / electrical comparisons to AMD.
I have plenty to contribute to this thread since I actually have a P4 running at 4Ghz+. Have you accomplished the same?
I in no way "insulted" you.
I was just commenting that you (or one of a few others) somehow manage to bring AMD into every Intel overclocking thread. The purpose of this...
It must get repetitive typing out the same type of response in every Intel overclocking thread. In the future I would suggest a pre-typed rebuttle that you could just copy and paste into these threads.
Something like "Intel Sucks, AMD Rules" would suffice.
Just trying to save you some...
Any of the boards listed in the article should work fine with the right cooling. The 800 series will definitely heat up the room at those speeds ;)
The Asus P5WD2 Premium seems to be getting the best / most consistent overclocking results.
My point was that you and Mark both claim a AMD at 2.6Ghz outperforms a D920 at 4.2Ghz, yet neither of you have tested this specific scenario.
You've both used either a different processor, or the same Intel processor clocked 500Mhz slower to extrapolate your numbers.
If you would've said...
a) I can't do an A-A comparison, but then again I'm not the one claiming to have done so.
b) If you want to bring price into it, yes my MB was more expensive then yours. But then again, my processor and ram were quite a bit cheaper at the time of purchase.
c) I enjoy organizing my...
My only points, besides the phase change misinformation, were:
1) The people making the comparison between their AMD's at 2.6 and the Intel D' at 4.2 have not actually gotten their Intel's to 4.2, or in Marks's case were using a 820 to extrapolate 920 performance. Nobody that I've seen has...
You've benchmarked a 920 at 4.2Ghz? Nope. I rememeber your threads.
a) You had an 820, not a 920. The processors perform differently at the same speed due to cache size differences.
b) From what I remember of your posts you got your 820 nowhere near 4.2Ghz so your comparisons were nothing...
Wow...Just wow...
Where to begin pointing out your ignorance...
1) It takes an AMD at 2.6-7Ghz to match a P4 at 4.2Ghz
2) 4.2Ghz DOES NOT require phase change. Trust me on this ;)
I've been running at 4.2 for three months now...
Since I'm already running Intel, I'm planning to upgrade to Conroe. Shouldn't be that big of a deal, just a CPU + MB swap. Will keep the rest of my system as is.
So unnecessary, but so entertaining :P
Anyways, I was just poking a bit of fun at the few fanatical AMD fans that seem to inhabit this particular forum. You know the ones...Usually with "AMD for life!" in their sigs...
Quite a few people are overclocking them (D920's) with excellent results. It's just not talked about much on this forum.
As has already been said, to get good results with the Preslers it looks like you need an ASUS P5WD2 board (~$200) at this point. Using this board people are getting 4GHz+...
This board tends to be very AMD centric.
That said, the low end Preslers are a decent value IMHO because they are relatively cheap, run cooler than their predacesors, and are decent overclockers.
In "most" cases the AMD offerings will be faster in the same price range however.
It's a tough call.
I was in your position about a month ago and went with the 920 for the following reasons:
1) Using the Asus P5WD2 MB (~200$) just about everyone is getting 4Ghz+ out of this chip.
2) Intel = DDR2 platform.
Even though you need a pricey MB at this point to get a...
I would have to disagree with part of that statement. While I can't speak to AMD performance numbers, the Opti 146's are going for $232 vs. the D920 at $261.
$29 difference ;)
The 920's are not the "heat factories" their 820 cousins are. Just as an example, mine runs at 48C both cores full load, on water of coarse.
Besides, who cares how hot the thing gets as long as it works? Some reviewers were getting thei P4 EE's up to 70C+ without throttling.
We all know it's a decent stability test but is SuperPi a meaningful benchmark?
I guess what I'm asking is "Is it a realistic gauge of processor performance?"
I'm getting 32s for the 1M test with the setup in my sig. It look like I'm beating out quite a few other systems but does it really...
Based on the reviews here and on Tom's, the processors aren't "that" far off. In most cases it looks to take Intel a solid 1Ghz jump in clockspeed to make up the difference but they do make it up.
As far as saving cash, let's not forget the money saved by going with DDR2.
Clock for clock to match a stock 3800+ you'd have to have a P4 running at about 3.6~8Ghz or so depending on the game. To match an overclocked 3800+ you'd need 4Ghz+ from Intel.
You can accomplish 4GHz+ with a heavily overclocked D920 with the right board, but it takes a little effort...
Forget the 820 and look at the 920. It's in the same price range as the 3800+.
The 920's can be overclocked pretty well if you use the Asus P5WD2, but it is a $200 as already mentioned. That said you should save a little cash going with DDR2 as it's still a little cheaper than comparable...
Yup, the P5WD2 Premium. I was using a P5N32 at first but couldn't get past 3.2Ghz no matter what I tried. After switching to the P5WD2 it's been easy going...
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