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    TSMC 7nm info

    I think by now it's clear, the node name each foundry uses is decided by marketing not engineering. With that said, what's the performance characteristics and implications. Consider this, the actual processor cores take very little space on the SoC even using 16FFC. The elephant in the room...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    Anyone making predictions on sales numbers is just guessing. All we know is that even though Apple did not have to do any major retooling, the demand was so high that their was a backlog and there still seems to be a backlog on certain models. If you want to predict, just remember that iPhone...
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    [TechTastic] A10X Geekbench 4 Score

    Hey you know what, Apple's processors are using low voltage designs and showing great performance. It really has you wonder, if they use higher power designs what they can build. The question: is the A10X a higher clocked A10 and/or on the 10nm node which TSMC already has in production. The...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    Did you wormhole into bizarro world? Check Android profit ledgers and make sure... iPhone 7 has been a huge hit everywhere not to mention us geeks who are focusing on the innovation inside
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    Most of the Android phones sold do not contain high-end ARM processors. This is a problem for Qualcomm and Samsung. Look at the Apple R&D expenditure posted earlier. Each new process node has been getting more and more expensive leaving Apple in the best position to be the volume first...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    The 10FF node is now in production at TSMC, I don't see Apple waiting a whole year before using it. The iPad Pro models makes sense since they can get another 20% speed boost over the A10. There is a 2.1 reduction in size from 16FF+, So they can double the cores of both the CPU and GPU or some...
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    Apple A10 Geekbench 4 Score

    That's some scary stuff, maybe Apple developed a time machine and is bringing back technology from the future ;)
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    Apple A10 Geekbench 4 Score

    I understand that "the galaxy profit" is exploding these days, one can even say they're on fire
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    With InFO, the wafer package can mix such that the GPU can be 16nm, the various cores 10nm, etc. Now we will need to wait for the X-Rays to ascertain which part is at which scaling. Unless Apple tells us outright. Typically SRAM is the first to shrink. Look at the SoC package as taking over...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    The A10 using TSMC's Integrated Fan-Out (InFO) has bigger implications than thinner packaging, it also indicates much faster memory access and bandwidth while a significantly lower power usage, This is a perfect fit with the new efficiency cores and significantly improves the GPU performance...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    It's not a question of trivial or not, it's an issue of energy economy. If a process is memory bound, it doesn't matter how fast a processor is, memory communications speed is the limiting factor. So a memory bound thread will run just as fast (reasonably) on the efficiency cores as they would...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    I remember reading an article minimizing the performance increase of the iPhone 7 since it was only 40% faster than the A9. LOL. The reality is that Apple has intentionally downplayed what a huge a performance leap they made. I suspect to avoid comparisons with their Pro and computer models...
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    Apple A10 Geekbench 4 Score

    I don't understand why Intel even comes up as a competitor, since it doesn't even compete in this space. It lost it. If the A10 Fusion is being compared to Intel processors on larger form factors that's not good for Intel in any way.
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    Qualcomm is already just mid-tier. What we have today is overpriced mid-tier phones competing with iPhone flagships. Just look to the China android phones that are every bit as good as the android phones we get in the west but they sell for so much less. The differentiator with the high end...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    It's hard to go back to a 5S size display once you're on a plus model and now I'm hoping Apple goes even bigger. Maybe if they go full edge to edge and get rid of the top and bottom margins when they put home button behind the display.
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    I don't think Apple is near the limit yet. Their goal is to maximize performance / watt and there is a lot more headroom for that, imo. We haven't seen the full impact of fan out yet, and that promises performance increase at a greater pace. Eliminating bandwidth bottlenecks throughout the...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    Faster phones mean more advanced software features.
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    Apple A10 Geekbench 4 Score

    Though your post was corrected, performance will not be an issue with the high efficiency cores. All four cores will run the same ISA but the hard scheduler will send threads that are memory bound to the efficiency cores whereas processor bound threads will go to the performance cores. Memory...
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    Apple A10 Geekbench 4 Score

    Your statement is a bit too general in my opinion. Apple runs some of the largest server farms and growing. If anyone understands their requirements for server processors, Apple would be one of them. They would be their own biggest customer. And, in the businesses I've been involved in...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    Should be interesting to see more details unfold It's always faster to write something in software, but any software can be hardened if you have the resources and budget. Think of all the operations that go on in the camera sensor, separate from the CPU cores. It's an advantage you have when...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    What's interesting to me is Apple moving traditionally kernel level decision making onto the processor. So can Fusion also mean the hardwiring of key parts of the Mach/BSD kernel onto the A10 (not to mention the runtime engine.) Something I've always expected to happen. So I suspect, we...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    This is not a big.LITTLE design and it would not directly have been affected by the jack. Apple's design appears to use a unified cache between all four cores and they added a fast hardware switch to allocate a thread to the appropriate core. It just might be that all four cores can run...
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    Apple A10 Fusion is ** Quad-core big.LITTLE **

    "Measly 4W" - That's what is amazing, so much performance at that level. That's where the talent is. We can only imagine what Apple's design team can do with a relaxed TDP Spec. No, they design all sorts of chips at all sorts of price points . Maybe you meant flagship processors, not chips...
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    Apple A10 Geekbench 4 Score

    In some ways they are and in essential ways they are higher. Apples developing their processor to accelerate their own needs. For example, the Apple "Brain" that powers their local neural engine depends on hardware logic. They have many other secret regions on their processor for their own...
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    The iPad Pro was supposed to ship with A8X. A9X was pushed out 6 mos early.

    With InFO packaging Apple can mix nodes on the same Silicon Interposer. But, I do believe like you it will be 16FF+, though with some more improvements. What's exciting is the potential that they'll add the latest HBM v2 and other major component die to the same package.
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    The iPad Pro was supposed to ship with A8X. A9X was pushed out 6 mos early.

    The real problem is that the performance improvement of the Intel processors from year to year are so little that an upgrade is hardly justified.
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    TSMC catching up with Intel on leading edge process nodes

    Theoretically, taken to an extreme, we can imagine all the major dies heterogenously combined in the same chip package, all on the same Silicon Interposer. The Silicon Interposer replacing the function of the logic board substrate. This is a likely goal considering the needs of future Apple...
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    TSMC catching up with Intel on leading edge process nodes

    I believe Clarksdale was two different dies within the same package but how the dies connected was not as sophisticated. TSMC is using a Silicon Interposer layer and TSVs to create higher performance/lower power connections between the dies. For example, we might see an A10 that includes 2nd...
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    TSMC catching up with Intel on leading edge process nodes

    This discussion on process nodes is causing the group to miss the forest for the trees. 2016 will be the year of the SOC for reals. An SOC with heterogenous nodes on the same substrate, get it?
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    Apple A9X Geekbench

    https://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/186872/a9x-annotated_large.png
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    Intel Investor Meeting 2015: November 19

    Intel was able to get to the 14NM node faster than anyone else because they made the decision that their doped Silicon material had longer legs and kept using it from their pre-finfet process. But, as you can see, while they got to 14NM faster, their transistor speeds did not match expectations...
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    Apple A9X Geekbench

    And, there are large parts of the Apple SOCs that are undocumented as to their functions. No doubt specialized circuitry to speed up certain types of functions that lend themselves to vector style processing.
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    Apple A9X Geekbench

    I would rather look to using the very efficient Metal GPU compute capabilities for vector processing. Metal now lives in both the iOS and OS X and will allow greater portability as well as longer legs as Apple continues to beef up the GPU resources. I imagine internally Apple is recommending...
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    Apple A9X Geekbench

    What kind of work are you referring to? All the key productivity Apps are on iOS and many many more
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    Apple A9X Geekbench

    It's important to remember that Geekbench is not compiled in the latest version of Xcode.
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    Apple A9X Geekbench

    Intel isn't intentionally being sluggish, they have to move to newer materials. The decision they made to stick to doped Silicon for their 22NM FinFet process forward gave them a greater lead time over their competitors and initially allowed them to leapfrog AMD and thus Global Foundries into...
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    Apple A9X Geekbench

    Intel chose to use doped silicon and jumped into FinFet with it, whereas others delayed FinFet until they finished R&Ding new materials which they thought would be necessary down to 7NM. Now Intel needs to spend the time to bring on newer, faster materials. While they have been able to go down...
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    Tim Cook declares the end of the PC

    They're iMac desktops have the latest processors, and Intel hasn't released any significant bump in their Xeons for the Mac Pro line.
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    Apple A9X Geekbench

    I used to think that until I took all my devices to iCloud Photo, all of a sudden, the 16GB devices always have enough space...
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    Apple A9X Geekbench

    If Apple released a high performance notebook version of the A9, it would be on a more mature process that can handle higher speeds. The micro-architecture design is competitive. Me thinks they'll wait to 2017 to replace Intel with their own.
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