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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    No you didn't, you used cherry picked data that was already available to you. UNDAC used OEDC membership as criteria because it fit their mold, then they specifically removed mexico because it didn't fit. No, we were clearly discussing gun crime and death by gun crime. This entire chain...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    \ Cherry picking is deciding for your own purposes which countries can and cannot be compared. And you missed the point completely. Conveniently lumping all firearm fatalities together in that study? Suicides, shot by the police, justified self defense shootings(Which happen daily)...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    No doubt But the US is wholly unable to combat contraband, so it doesn't really matter, guns will flow here as long as a demand exists. The far right wingers you are mocking, do not contribute to our gun problem. Yes those people are a problem, but lets not pin our crime culture on them...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    So you think if we just made a law that said you need permission to take your gun out of the safe in the US, that would do it? That's what works over there right? Or maybe, just maybe their society and culture has other things figured out yet that we haven't. Because saying "Don't do that"...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    No country in that list is broadly comparable to the US. If we take the homicide stats from less than 5 US cities out of our countries homicide rate, we can see instantly that 99.9% of the US is far safer than most of Europe. Why is that? Guns increase crime, and there are more guns in rural...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    Source for the bold? I was in Switzerland last Oct. and saw a few people with guns cased on trains, I could see people target shooting from the train window at one point. I think you just made that up, or it's a restriction on only the gov issue weapon.
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    Many other countries on that UNDAC chart have low GDPs, what the standard? What countries can and can't we use in this comparison? Qatar has a really high GDP per capita, very tight gun controls, and high homicide. Switzerland has a high GDP per capita, very high gun ownership compared to the...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    That's false. Similar weapons were picked for standard duty engagement and you are correct that they are exceptionally capable as such. But most armies have multiple weapons for a host of scenarios. From an elevated position 400+ yards away, a single shooter, spraying at random with a high...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    Machine guns were available at the time, look at the puckle gun.
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    He wouldn't even had to train, he had walls of people for targets. No I'm simply pointing out that gun ownership does not have a strong violent crime correlation. Are we really going to sit here and assert that gun ownership causes us to have 2-3 times increase in homicides, there are no other...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    It's not ok to be glad that some nutjob who decides to kill a bunch of people, isn't good at it?
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    A++ Those socialist really really have everything figured out.
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    With the size of the crowd, the position he had, and the time he had; even the worst shooter in the world could have fired over 60 high percentage shots from a bolt action with 10 rounds mags in under 5 min. It is a blessing he choose the erratic spray and pray method.
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    Based solely on surveys, something most gun owners actively lie on. With the amount of NICS checks, I find this very hard to believe. How many of those countries include suicides in their homicide rates? Which country in that list has the most surface area and the least dense populous? Do...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    Yea, I'm guessing you hold this opinion about anyone who disagrees with you. But carry on, you democrats are republicans seem to have everything running super smooth...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    I think this is false, point shooting(Assuming optics), with the amount of time he had, likely would have resulted in far greater casualties.
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    I read the first study, which assumes the rate of gun ownership based on firearm suicides. I find a couple problems with this. One being that gun ownership has done nothing but rise, whereas crime and homicide rates are quite fluid. I think you'd find a better correlation to the unemployment...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    Some. Some democrats are severely deluded about how society works. Some republicans are severely deluded about how society works. We should not discount the entire platform just because the only people in the platform that are given attention are the fringe.
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    They aren't supposed to pass broad laws trading freedoms for securities. Swimming pools kill more children that than anything discussed in this thread, however the appropriate legislative response is not to ban swimming pools. In terms of preventing suicide, firearms restriction are not an...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    I agree with this, but disagree that firearm restrictions should be the legislative response. It's simply not how our government was intended to work. But I do respect the position.
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    Libertarians do. When I said we can do more to prevent suicides, I meant more than we are doing now, not more than a blanket ban on firearms(I would however question the efficacy of).
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    Except in terms of lobby power they are really small. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000082 38 million since 1998? Hillary and trump spent that campaigning in a single quarter. The NRA power comes from voters.
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    So you're for a full blown ban on all firearms? I'm not well versed on suicide rates, but I would wager an assault weapon ban, expanding background checks, mag limits, etc. Would do little to reduce suicides. As horrible as suicides are, I prefer we keep the 2A. We could do much more to...
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    No, I'm saying their reduction in gun crime isn't obviously linked to gun ownership, as you assert. So your battle cries after incidents like this is to reduce suicides?(Based on a kneejerk correlation) No, it's to further a political agenda you already wanted in the first place.
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    Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

    Except crime fell at the same rate in the US, and we did not ban guns. So like, good job with logic dude.
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    Netflix - Making a Murderer

    That was found to be Avery, not her ex...
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    Virginia news crew shot to death on air

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/
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    Virginia news crew shot to death on air

    Why the hell do people keep comparing "gun" murder rates. Murder is murder, if I'm dead I could give two shits what killed me. Look at the murder rates between countries and stop being a intentional moron. Gun crime is at a 49 year low in America, what fucking problem are you trying to fix?
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    It's time for Todd Jones to go

    No kidding. People are paying more for 223 than I pay for .270
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    It's time for Todd Jones to go

    http://bearingarms.com/atf-chief-suggests-5-56-ammo-threat-law-enforcement/ WTF? It's a weak ass rifle round comparatively speaking. There's no excuse for such a level of ignorance.
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    Basic concepts that seem to escape the grasp of most people

    Warranties. "Oh I got different rims so I cant warranty anything." "My radio broke and I have to get an aftermarket one because the dealership said my lift voids the warranty."
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    Now minimal wagers want a hike big enuf to afford a 2 bedroom apartment

    Shouldn't be having kids in High School.
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    Legal Weed Thread.... updated 1/31/15

    Vaping can still cause you to cough(much less than smoking though), and enough coughing can of course agitate your throat. Other than that, nope.
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    what are the most effective alternatives to violent protest rioting for poor people?

    Source for 50 feet even? The extremely unreliable witnesses? You say he wasn't a threat, so that must mean the cop just wanted to kill someone, so he decided to pick this guy and off him in front of witnesses? That's your theory right? Cop was mad about previous struggle and just had to kill...
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    what are the most effective alternatives to violent protest rioting for poor people?

    Source for 125 yards? That's not logical, anyone who has ever fired a pistol should know this.
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    New York Condo Will Have A 'Poor Door' For Lower-Income Residents

    No one is arguing that, but the fact remains that the city did not impose conditions. So what's the problem now? And it's not demeaning. I can't get on club level at the baseball game when I purchase general admission tickets. At a lot of condos valet is only available to certain units and...
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    New York Condo Will Have A 'Poor Door' For Lower-Income Residents

    So if they would have gotten those same tax breaks and built no luxury condos or amenities, only the affordable units, would that still be a problem?
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    Another day, another school shooting

    Fair enough. Although I would say intrigue could be a motivator absent of boredom. I disagree, we weren't afraid of not eating, my father always provided. However its hard to feed a family of 7 steaks on a very modest single income. Hunting allowed my family to eat organic steaks, burgers, and...
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    Another day, another school shooting

    People buy firearms that can no longer fire, ammo can't be purchased for, or otherwise can't be used. Is that boredom or fear? Probably should add every motivation a collector of any items would have to your list. I bought my first gun when I was 12, because my dad had already taught me how to...
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    Easier than a frozen pizza...

    I know we've got a lot of threads like these, but I'll try to put a twist on it. I'm looking for extremely easy, healthy meals to make. A frozen pizza takes about 20 minutes and the only dish I need is a paper towel... Is there anything healthy that can be comparable? Last night I made up...
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