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    Should I get an i5-6500?

    pretty strong choice for 1080p gaming. Of course, there's nothing wrong with waiting until 1080P gaming is actually a problem for you. Your question is for you to answer: which games are not running at satisfactory levels such that you should spend $ for higher settings/ more FPS.
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    6900K or wait for Skylake-E?

    Enjoy your new processor and there's no need to address concerns about instead getting Ryzen, getting less cores and clocking more, cost efficiency, or not upgrading at all... it's about what makes you happy and the 6900 is a badass processor.
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    I'm seeing the 8C16T Ryzen 1800X on par with 4C4T i5 in games. For 6600K/7600K vs 1800X we are talking similar clocks but 4x the threads for the Ryzen. How multithreaded are teh games? I point to the gaming benchmarks and let you decide. Will an i5 be obsolete for gaming purposes in 2018...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Hmm semantics to me. I was an early adopted of A64 dual core when it came out. We just knew that in a few years, everything would be multihreaded and push our little dual cores to the max. Then when quads came out, we just knew that soon, by 2010 we thought, everything would be fluidly...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    I see your point, but it's forward-looking with an undefined timeline. Obviously right now it is not valid, since XB1/PS4 has been out since 2013, and games (even AAA ported titles) are still weakly threaded, as we observed with the gaming benchmarks. That games will become more threaded to...
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    Coffelake Thread : Rumors, and Specs

    3DXP in datacenter, autonomous driving, AI, FPGAs, IoT, are each enormous market opportunities that Intel needs only to grab a smidgen of to be profitable... The Altera acquisition is factoring into their revenue nicely tho will take time to cover the 16B acquisition cost lol. But Intel has the...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Is that a joke? Game developers don't care if their customers can't run their product? Developers need SALES and the overwhelming majority of the user base is on 4C or less. Look @ latest Steam Hardware Survey; 98.32% of steam users are on 4C or less. Games have to be accessible at enjoyable...
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    Coffelake Thread : Rumors, and Specs

    General rant on what Intel is doing, and why they haven't made "mainstream" 8C earlier... There just hasn't been huge demand there; AT is the 0.1% when it comes to hardware, and 95% of the consumers out there couldn't max out a quad core if you told them to. For what little demand there is for...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Ryzen clearly superior workstation/content creation chip, no doubt there and every sane person must hand it to AMD for making a chip which is massively powerful, energy efficient, and cheap. That said I want to address the claim "Ryzen was never supposed to be a gaming CPU, so why are all the...
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    So now I have a dilemma

    4.1 Ghz on a 6900K would be considered a dud. 4.3-4.5 Ghz is common. 4.2 is a bad chip or limited cooling and 4.6 was the best stable OC i found. So yeah it's true Intel 8 core are not clocking to 5 Ghz like the quads. But they ARE clocking past Ryzen. That's a fantastic upgrade from the...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    I think a lot of the (-) negative (-) sentiment in the reaction to Ryzen extends beyond lackluster gaming results, which may be 1/2... The other half of the negative sentiment is the (lack of) overclocking headroom. I'm a gamer but also an overclocker; hobby since 2003 and 20-30 CPU's OC'd with...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Yea, also TheStilt had a good post showing how the architecture is super efficient at slightly lower frequencies where Naples is likely to be poised. Big savings in those serverfarms... Naples is where AMD needs to eat into Intel's marketshare and get that real sweet $$. HEDT is so dominated...
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    What will you do with money left over from upgrading to RYZEN?

    Instead of buying a Ferrari 458 I'm instead buying a Nissan GTR and the SAVINGS, HOLY FCK guys I'm rich! WOW thanks NISSAN made me so much $$$$ Edit: the comparison to $1000 price CPU is ludicrous; check Steam Survey and see what % users decide to buy at the peak of the price/performance...
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    So now I have a dilemma

    Waiting is where it's at. From my perspective, the best bang for your buck isn't buying brand new systems; it's picking up last year's quality parts at discount rates from the wealthier techies who upgrade annually. In other words even if prices don't drop in the next month (and Intel price...
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    Your Take on Ryzen? Worth buying or stick to Intel

    My upgrade bug came out this morning, saw it's shadow, said NOPE 6600K @ 4.5 Ghz will continue to game great, went back to its gaming den for the next 12 months without upgrading. Which was a pretty obvious result but I, like others here, have a tendency to upgrade without reason. I just like...
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    Intel Cannonlake Leaked - It's 3D

    Just cuz it's patented doesn't mean it will be utilized. It's called a protective moat* of IP. We can only wait and hope; does look cool.
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Power consumption anyone? 1800X drawing as much as 140W BD-E does not seem like 95W TDP is accurate https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-Review-Now-and-Zen/Power-Consumption-and-Conclusions http://www.techspot.com/review/1345-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x/page6.html
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    Your Take on Ryzen? Worth buying or stick to Intel

    Not about to start watching Youtube videos in the office, but agree, that result flies in the face of the results of about 8 other tech sites and 100+ benchmarks I've reviewed for 2 hours now. Clockspeed and 5.0 Ghz 7700K win over 3.9 Ghz ryzen in gaming. Often, by a significant margin.
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    Your Take on Ryzen? Worth buying or stick to Intel

    What a morning of reading! Anyone else in the office *not really working*? List of reviews for those catching up: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176191/computers/ryzen-review-amd-is-back.html http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2822-amd-ryzen-r7-1800x-review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks...
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    Is that the reason why having 8cores is important for gaming?

    If one *needs* a CPU/mobo upgrade, I would also future proof with more cores. My point of view however is that the 90+% rest of us on a decent i5/i7 right now are far better served by utilizing say $500 upgrade money on a top GPU than by by upgrading their CPU core count. For instance my...
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    Is that the reason why having 8cores is important for gaming?

    CPU bound makes sense for a CPU benchmark. But then I see this benchmark repeatedly referenced in discussions to support the notion that gamers should buy 8C chips. For "futureproofing." But whose futureproofing plans entail gaming at 1080P for the next 4-5 years? I think in reality, at the...
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    Is that the reason why having 8cores is important for gaming?

    Wouldn't the ComputerBase benchmarks be more meaningful if they were performed at resolution greater than 720 and 1080P? I think for the current discussion regarding purchasing a new 6C/8C CPU to last ~5 years, gamers are interested in higher resolutions than this.
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    Speculation on Ryzen Overclocking

    That sounds like a psychological requirement if you want > 4.2 Ghz. Looks like you've extracted good value from the i7 930 as it is but the IPC of new chips whip Nehalem out of the park. Anyway, fewer cores are only likely to clock higher because the thermals will be easier to manage.
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    Intel's response to RyZen.

    While I have shared my own personal skepticism regarding their launch yields/timeliness, we are in agreement on transistor density my friend... GF 7nm is predicted to be 14.5% denser than Intel 10nm. https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/6498-2017-leading-edge-semiconductor-landscape.html...
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    Speculation on Ryzen Overclocking

    Yeah there's some good value buys for overclockers to exploit. However, it seems there's little headroom beyond what the tops models are clocked at. That ~4.1 result was on high end mobo and watercooling. The hype-driven segment of the community (probably just a few loud people but we've all...
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    Which Ryzen CPU should I buy?

    It's pretty understandable. I get the bug to build whenever I see new hardware, because it's fun, not because I need it lol. Honestly the Ryzen 1600X looks like the sweet spot for most users like you. 6C12T is plenty to last quite a few years I think, and it rocks higher clocks so while you...
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    Intel's response to RyZen.

    I think that sums it up so we are in agreement... Zen+ and Zen++ are both on ~14nm in 2018 and 2019. (If other foundries want to call it 14nm+ node to encompass some improvements over previous 14nm, that would probably bring it to parity with Intel 14nm) My point is that for these two years...
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    Intel's response to RyZen.

    In all quantitative comparisons out there, intel's node has tighter dimensions & higher transistor densities than the "same" node from other foundries. So yes. I think Skylake-X is supposed to be up to 10C20T which will still be handily beating Ryzen 1800X due to more cores and IPC boost of...
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    Intel's response to RyZen.

    GF says it will be in 7nm mass production; does not mean it is necessarily true. The lithographic processes are getting much more difficult and expensive; we have seen Intel's problems at 10nm, and 7nm is even more difficult. I am casting my doubt on GF claims as per some recommended reading...
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    Intel's response to RyZen.

    With a process advantage Intel has the option to mint more die per wafer, yes, and simply gain economic advantage. Alternatively, they can exploit the smaller die area to facilitate the transition to mainstream 8C chips. Which, as AMD has shown, does translate to performance. The point is at...
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    Intel's response to RyZen.

    AMD is offering a great product at clearly better pricing, but I think this is Intel's outlook: 1. product segmentation HEDT is a stagnating segment and Intel has signaled to shareholders that they are no longer focusing on desktop. Mobile and servers are the growing segments. Much of the last...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    I am used to seeing power draw from the wall normalized by subtracting a constant (system term) to isolate CPU component, but the comments elucidated, likely not done here, so nvm.
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Interesting find. According to that, Ryzen 1700 TDP = 65W but power draw from the wall, measured by AMD, = 115 W. And yes the 1800X will certainly be drawing more power if it's turboing to 4.0 instead of 3.7. We know that TDP != power draw but i commented earlier on why AMD is releasing their...
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    AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

    More cores, lower prices, competitive IPC but lower clocks... Wait a week, look @ gaming benchmarks.
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Intriguing but different clockspeeds on different cores sounds a bit wonky to me. Like, go into the BIOS and redo your overclock every time you want to game? Unless they are talking windows overclocking utility, which would be much more useful. Make it turbo 4C on game launch :). Guessing even...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    I'm still pretty blown away by the raw compute power per $ offered here. Anyone else hold AMD stock?! WOW. But I am first and foremost a gamer, and I think in the *near term* 5 Ghz Kaby lakes still take the cake here... Users looking for that 5+ year future-proofing will surely be turning to 6C...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Honestly I can't make sense of AMD's TDP numbers. The 65W sku's ship with 95W coolers; the 95W sku's ship with 140W coolers. The 4C4T 1100 is rated 65W; the 8C16T 1700 is rated at 65W Then the 6C12T 1600X is rated 95W And the only leak we have re: power consumption (from Canard PC December...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    An excellent response, thank you, and I'm sure very informative for other readers here on new official thread as well. I didn't realize XFR is only adding 100 Mhz to the ST turbo. I am expecting relatively limited OC headroom then. With the coolers AMD is packing, I think they are pushing...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    My primary unanswered question is this... We have seen benchmarks from primarily 1600X, 1700X, and 1800X, which as I understand it, all have XFR and turbo up in speed according to the thermal headroom available. So, are the benchmarks we see performed at the nominal speeds of these ----X series...
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    AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

    With their pricing, any kind of overclocking, especially 4.2 Ghz, will be extremely competitive, that is for sure. However, in my experience with overclocking, the delta that you might see between a maximum "suicide screenshot" OC on 1 core and fully stable on 8 cores is going to be far greater...
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