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    how can AMD win your hearts again after conroe?

    :thumbsup:
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    What are your CPU upgrade plans?

    Codename for desktop Core 2 Duo & Core 2 Extreme. Or Core 2 Duo E and X series. Intel microprocessor. Kicks @ss. And runs without generating alot of heat.
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    FSB and Hyper Transport

    How so? Kentsfield and Core 2 are not server chips. Woodcrest (Xeon 5100 series) has been tested here and here. Maybe so. However, the first review above concludes "the performance lead we've seen from Woodcrest in nearly every test we have run bodes very well". The second that the Xeon 5160...
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    need help with system upgrade

    It looks like Intel has licked their heat and power woes, and come up with a faster processor at the same time. This shows Core 2 using up 21% & 23% less power than its AMD and NetBurst counterparts at idle, 16% & 19% less under full load. Here's another page that shows comparative Core 2 power...
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    WOW! AM2 is compatible with quad core K8L!

    Not "glued together", if AMD remains true to form. AMD's objective is to maintain a technical edge over Intel. In my opinion, this precludes an improvised, sleight-of-hand multi-core implementation, such as Intel has been accussed of in its dual-core implementation of Smithfield and Presler...
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    FSB and Hyper Transport

    Kentsfield should experience no more performance loss due to the FSB than Core 2 processors currently suffer. The FSB of Core 2 may technically be a bottleneck, but it is not in practice affecting performance much. Kentsfield consists of two Core 2 Duos. Each Core 2 Duo will have its own FSB. So...
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    Not happy w/ intel, switching back to AMD

    This review benches the E6300 and compares it to a bunch of other chips: http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/306/...t-conroe-test-des-core-2-duo/page1.php.
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    Not happy w/ intel, switching back to AMD

    Pentium D 945 (& 915) launch 7/23. They will lack VT, however. The 945 appears to be derived from the 945. Edit--I mean 950. http://www.askaboutcomputers.com/060629_core_2_delay.html
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    need help with system upgrade

    Yes. You have a single-core CPU, so dual-core would be a nice upgrade. You should see an improvement in the snappiness of your OS. Also if you use any multithreaded apps, they will show improvment. If you go with the 939 platform, as opposed to AM2 platform, you should be able to use the...
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    Not happy w/ intel, switching back to AMD

    Maybe because the 805 runs hot. Consumes more power than almost anything else. Look at the charts on this page: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2736&p=10
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    Not happy w/ intel, switching back to AMD

    Here are some benches of an E6400: http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cpu/intel-conroe-2-13-ghz.html
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    Motherboards for new Intel cpu

    Many new boards should support a Core 2 processor, or support Core 2 soon. However, I believe that the D975XBX motherboard, at a certain revision level, is the only old board that can safely run Core 2 processors. At Computex, no current boards would "work with Core 2". Here's a link to an...
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    FSB and Hyper Transport

    Interesting ...
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    bye bye kentsfield

    I take the opposite view. I think the next 10 years are going to be very interesting indeed. And I think the cores shall keep proliferating. No one said it would be easy. There's no doubt that software and hardware engineers have big challenges in front of them. Not sure our points of view are...
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    FSB and Hyper Transport

    Intel's reply to MP servers (4-8 CPUs) will be Tigerton, sometime in 2007. Until then, I guess AMD will rule the x86 MP server space. I don't think that Tulsa (a Xeon MP to be released later this year) will seriously challenge AMD on the high x86 end. Intel has a pretty good reply to AMD in...
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    What are your CPU upgrade plans?

    :(
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    Intel Core Duo T2250

    Maybe he means that you cannot OC it because it's an HP, and they lock down the BIOS to prevent OCing.
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    Dell goes AMD- the real deal?

    Update to the "unified" pricing: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32650: "it is a little more complex than we were first told. It isn't so much flat as it is flat tiers ... one person who is in a position to know, when asked about pricing Dell the same as Al's Breakfast and CPU...
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    I remember something about future AMD CPUs

    What about AMD virtualization? I would call that a feature. Also they've reduced power consumption a bit.
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    bye bye kentsfield

    I hope you're wrong, and that software can be written that will take better advantage of multicore. The primary driver of performance in the future is going to be adding more cores and learning how to take advantage of those cores. It won't be clock speeds so much. This is sort of what Bill...
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    bye bye kentsfield

    Maybe so. However, hardware as a rule precedes software. In order for the industry to start writing software that will take full advantage of quad-core and beyond, we need the hardware.
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    conroe "vs" merom in plain english?

    I think it's 478 for mobile Core 2, because it's supposed to be pin-compatible with Core Duo. 771 pins, I believe, because of the LGA771.
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    conroe "vs" merom in plain english?

    Conroe is the codename for the desktop version of Intel's Core microarchitecture. Merom is the codename for the mobile version. However, they share a brand identity--Core 2 Duo. Conroe also has the brand name Core 2 Extreme, for its high end parts. I have seen C2D referred to as desktop Core 2...
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    Will there be a new chipset out for Conroe's launch?

    It looks like Intel shall supply a parallel ATA port after all, on at least one of its Intel manufactured P965 chipset motherboards, even though it is dropping PATA support from its ICH8 south bridge. See http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/dp965lt/index.htm. PATA support has to come from...
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    Hurry up Intel

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1518009&postcount=1
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    Question about Core architecture

    Sort of. Except there's also Core Solo, and Pentium M and Core Solo are not identical. Core Duo and Solo build upon the Pentium M, but also have enhancements. The Core microarchitecture (Core 2 processor family & Xeon 5100 series) was mostly developed from the ground up. However, it was also...
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    Will there be a new chipset out for Conroe's launch?

    The only Intel chipset announced at Computex was the P965 Express. A G965 and Q965 are expected, but I don't think they're out yet. ATI and NVIDIA's chipsets had already been released, I believe. Yes. Also ICH8R. The 975X includes one of the ICH7 family, which is usually either ICH7 or...
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    Conroe Prices vs. AMD X2 (S939 & AM2)

    One source would be Computex: "There is a lot of concern about the availability of Conroe, ... It's availability that AMD is counting on to dull the impact of Conroe's launch."
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    Will there be a new chipset out for Conroe's launch?

    Give it time. Ben-Q drives should be 5% SATA by he end of this year. Intel manufactured 965 boards are not even out yet. If someone insists on having an Intel-made 965 board, they don't have to build rightaway. I've installed an OS using a SATA optical drive. It's not a big deal. $200 is alot...
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    Conroe Prices vs. AMD X2 (S939 & AM2)

    By the time Conroe ships, Intel's Conroe and Pentium D pricing will be as follows: CPU Price Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 (2.93GHz/4M) $999 Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965 (3.73GHz/2Mx2) $999 Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.67GHz/4M) $530 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.40GHz/4M) $316 Intel...
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    Will there be a new chipset out for Conroe's launch?

    Intel is dropping support for parallel ATA entirely in the ICH8 and ICH8R. The south bridge only provides built-in support for serial ATA drives. This affects optical drives mostly, since there are comparatively few SATA optical drives being made. However, the industry is not quite ready to drop...
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    Will there be a new chipset out for Conroe's launch?

    I stand corrected. However, not having PATA in the ICH8 should not pose much of a problem, since motherboard makers will almost certainly provide PATA through third party hard drive controller chips. See this page: Intel's ICH8R doesn't support any PATA ports natively so you will see all...
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    Will there be a new chipset out for Conroe's launch?

    Hi http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2551 Bearlake is to support a 1333MHz FSB. Not much else is known, e.g. details of ICH9.
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    Will there be a new chipset out for Conroe's launch?

    The P965 Express was launched at Computex. A G965 and Q965 should follow soon. The G965 is for integrated graphics, of course, and the Q965 is supposed to be for business PCs. So far, the 975X is the only Intel chipset that is to support CrossFire, if you want dual graphics. The 975X, however...
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    CPU for new rig

    Not exactly. Intel deals with the heat by lowering the clock on its dual-core CPUs. Not sure about AMD, but would think that maybe they do the same? Most games do not take advantage of dual-core CPUs, because most games are single-threaded. There are a few exceptions. Also, more and more games...
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    Does anyone know the cost of the Conroe?

    I can't answer the first question, but using one piece of silicon can have significant performance advantages, as the A64 X2 & Core Duo have shown us. One thing is that the I don't think that the L2 cache is shared between the two cores in the Pentium Ds. In Core 2 Duo the cache is shared. This...
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    Does anyone know the cost of the Conroe?

    Desktop Core 2 Duo--aka Conroe--is more akin to the Centrino notebook chips. The dual-core is less improvised and more of an engineering feat than the Pentium D, both 800 and 900 series.
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    Does anyone know the cost of the Conroe?

    I've heard that it's compatible with certain 975X chipset motherboards, like Intel's BadAxe.
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    Does anyone know the cost of the Conroe?

    DailyTech never sleeps. I think they're the devil. They have another release on Intel's roadmap: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2548
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    Does anyone know the cost of the Conroe?

    The slide presented in this report shows a "Conroe-L (Single-core)". It appears to be a low end offering to replace low end Pentium 4 500 series chips and Celerons. Tentatively scheduled for Q2'07.
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