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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    So, as a follow-up to this thread: Yes, the dealer was absolutely attempting to not have to replace the short block. They ran three (3!) oil consumption tests, and went so far are to overfill the engine with oil for ALL three tests! We took pictures of the oil level each time it came back...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    Heh, unless they burn oil! Then, it appears, you find yourself in this position.... http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/104-gen-4-2010-2014/258609-what-happens-when-dealer-can-t-conduct-oil-consumption-test-properly.html
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    This is my thought. Over at the Outback forums, one guy put it pretty succinctly: Subaru makes less money per vehicle than Honda or Toyota. Toyota makes as much as $2000 per car, but that's only certain models. Subaru makes way less, and it costs them at least $3000 to change out the...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    That's why you need the 3.6 with the 5 speed automatic... ONLY burns a QT of oil in 6000 miles, with the light turning on once! It does however, work well in crappy weather.
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    Audi, Porsche, and VW used the same power train... same company.
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    Ok, 1) The best AWD system in the world is not necessarily made by Subaru; Porches' is pretty nice; 2) The best AWD system is worthless without an engine that'll last; 3) I recommend you put that to the test and go out and purchase a new FB series Subaru based car... then tell us how it...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    The oil light comes on without fail at about 3400 miles... So, yeah, we're checking the oil all the time. ...or a least were until the dealer started the third oil consumption test and sealed the dipstick so that we couldn't tell if they overfilled it for the third time.
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    That's a great idea, but our FB25 has less than 25,000 miles on it and it burns 2 QTs every 6000 miles. ...Warranties are great, if they actually DO warranty them.
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    Currently, it's looking like a BIG issue. Seriously, it appears that MANY models are having an issue with burning oil. The truth of the issues is that you want to buy an older (pre-2010) model with low mileage on it until they resolve their issues. I suspect that'll be a year or so...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    Yep, it's Actually against Federal Law to void a warranty if the same specification fluids are used during maintenance. Also, if you've ever tried to go to Subaru dealer and get QT sizes of Subaru branded motor oil, they laugh at you... as IF they are using it, they purchase it in 55...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    Well, here is the update to the story... Both of our Subarus are burning oil, and they are both 2013 model year Subarus. One is a 3.6 - six cylinder, which burns 1 QT of oil evey 6000 miles. The Oil Change Interval is 7500 miles, which means the car cant make the specified OCI without the oil...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    You bring up a good point. So I went into my wife's Legacy, which is really the same basic car as my Outback (both are 2013s), and SHE has a booklet that has the maintenance schedules in it. However, my 3.6R Outback does not. I do find it odd that at Subaru: - If you purchase the OEM...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    Nope. My owners manual does not have anything except the oil change interval so far as I can see. (I've got it in my hand now.) I might be missing one item (tires?), but all I see immediately is the engine oil. It's very clear about using only ATF HP or Subaru CVT, using only Subaru...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    The problem is that the catalyst has a finite life... granted, there are three on my H6, and I think two on the 2.5i that my wife has... I just had the dealer tell me they needed to change the transmission fluid... (Which I had changed 20k miles ago.) So I asked them, how did you arrive at...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    In Germany, leaking oil is a serious offense. As in, if you leak oil on the ground from a car and it's reported, you will be fined a huge amount. It's worse if you know about it and fail to take care of it. It doesn't matter where... your own property is even an issue (e.g. driveway...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    You know, all we really need to do is hit them in the "PZEV" certification area. We get 100 of the worst burners to show up. Have them tested.... and have the certification removed. Then we just go after them, in a "Good Morning America" fashion until the whole "I bought this car to be...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    So, News from the war front: I appears that Subraru has lowered their standard for 7000 miles to 6000 miles for the 2.5i based vehicles. There is a firmware update and new oil level sensor that allows the 2.5i to have .5QTs less, so that the pesky oil light does not turn on in under...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    Exactly. It's much more likely that automotive companies have the "1QT per 1000 miles" warranty to limit the financial burden on them. Though I do find the concept of that being the limit of the emissions systems to be interesting. It's very difficult to believe, for a moment, that...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    I understand entirely. I just don't care, as your point is not valid in this situation: during the warranty period "higher than average" and "within normal limits and not warranting mechanical repair" are actionable items to be corrected; any burning of oil that causes the low oil indicator...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    Naaaaw, it the oil level light. Needed one QT for the 3.6 and 1.5 QT for the 2.5 respectively.
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    Heh, I'm an IT guy... Though I have rebuilt quite a few engines.
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    I re-read this, and I think I need to point something out: If you burn 1 QT of oil every 1201 miles in your 2.5i Subaru (or any Subaru), that means that your would have to add 5.83 QUARTS of oil to keep it topped off by the time you reached the 7000 mile change interval. So let me get this...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    That's really my point: A new car should not burn oil in significant amount past the break-in period. I'm flabbergasted that anyone thinks a car under the factory warranty and burning 30% of its oil in-between OEM prescribed change intervals is OK / normal. The only reason manufacturers...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    As a side note: The owners manual indicated that the 3.6R (H6 Engine) will report one level as low when the ignition key it turned one click, and then another level as low if the engine is running and the oil reaches a certain level at that time (which is not the same). I had to read the a few...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    I have not had a car, period, in out of the last three, that have burned any noticeable amount of oil. There is NO reason a car 20k miles should be burning that much oil. PERIOD. In the USAF, if we received anything that burns 30% of it's lubricant before the prescribed maintenance interval -...
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    I noted that on the H6 I need to wait at least 15 minutes to check the oil after letting it sit on a level surface. On the 2.5i it needs to sit as the filter is on top of the engine and the oil needs to slowly return to the sump as it filter drains.
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    Class Action Lawsuit Targets Subaru Oil Consumption

    To add to this thread (I was suprised that AnandTech has a Garage Forum): So, I've got a 2013 Subaru Legacy with the 2.5i engine listed in the law suit. It's burning oil at a rate of at least 1.5 quarts ever 6000 miles. The dealership last changed it, so I don't know how much more they could...
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    GA-G33M-DS2R Crashes / Fails Memory Test - But....

    Yeah, I was running at 2.2v, as that's what the board can do...
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    GA-G33M-DS2R Crashes / Fails Memory Test - But....

    That was indeed the issue: You've got to use MemTest86+... I ran that for a day on the system, and it appears that the Crucial Balistix PC8500 (or whatever the 1066MHz high end gamer RAM is) was bad. I also ran Windows Memory Diag and the same thing happened. So at the end of the...
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    GA-G33M-DS2R Crashes / Fails Memory Test - But....

    That was my thought too... but it's so odd. Are there any CPU checkers out there??
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    GA-G33M-DS2R Crashes / Fails Memory Test - But....

    Ok, so now I'm totally confused: MemTest86+ fails, but Microsoft's "Windows Memory Diagnostic" seems to be working fine. MSWMD, no, not Microsoft Weapons of Mass Destruction, seems to not be able to completely check the 4GB of memory... but it does seem to be checking at least 3GB...
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    GA-G33M-DS2R Crashes / Fails Memory Test - But....

    I've got a GA-G22M-DS2R that had been running fine until last week. I replaced the RAM with Crucial Balistix PC8500 RAM, just to see if it made a difference. (It didn't, the OCZ stuff I have is the same...) Anyway, the machine, not overclocked(!), started crashing... freezing. I ran...
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    Help G33M-DS2R acting odd..

    So, have any of you figured out why your board is acting up? I've run into a problem where MemTest86+ tells me that my memory slots have errors. The problem is that I've swapped out the motherboard, the RAM, the video card, and I'm still getting the SAME errors! I wonder if the CPU...
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