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  1. Kill the Likes

    The "Likes Received" counter has to go, maybe even post count as well. If someone likes something he can type up a nice reply and bump the topic in the process. This is how forums work, why introduce an idiotic popularity contest, that can easily be gamed? Forums are there for discussion and the...

  2. AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

    Yes, well you can immediately see from the numbers. Scaling up to around 60-ish frames that would be GPU framerate, around 120-ish that would be their heavily fluctuating "CPU-Framerate". There is a bit of a problem, it really should be the other way around, Zen ES compares relatively well in...

  3. AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

    Agreed. How unfortunate, Guru3D's Hilbert Hagedoorn made all those graphs for nothing. Maybe that's a natural assumption that people always set their CPU to just clock to max turbo, or more likely - it isn't. Perhaps 2.9 or 2.8 GHz would be fair, given that the game occupies up to 16 threads...

  4. AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

    Disregarding CPU-framerate for a moment, which is consistent sometimes. It's possible to just filter results by what michaelyuan.feng used. At Standard this leaves only 14 Entries, which are simply ranked by the benchmark score, from first to last: i5-6600K - 6800 i7-6700K - 6600 i7-6700K - 6600...

  5. AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

    You've asked: "What am I not seeing?" You did present very comparable benchmarks with the same RX 480, Standard[1080p], Version 1.30.21168.0. And I hope this was a genuine question, before you went on to jump to quantify your conclusions. When confronted with such a spay of data, the...

  6. AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

    That's the question, isn't it? I'm fairly certain this isn't a CPU benchmark like 3D mark, but some kind of combined meta nonsense. I tried comparing the scores of the same type CPU, but the CPU Framerate results are all over the place. Ranging from 71 to 37 "CPU framerate". Narrowed criteria...

  7. AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

    Seems like results have been removed, did anyone take a screenshot?

  8. AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

    I don't get the doom and gloom, Zen is just a wee better than Sandy Bridge. This result exactly lines up with expectations and the 40% better (than BD) IPC prediction. According to the review guidelines for Sky Lake, Intel's newest architecture is 25% ahead of Sandy Bridge (and supposedly it's...

  9. AMD Ryzen (Summit Ridge) Benchmarks Thread (use new thread)

    The Westmere comparison uses a different video card! (780 ti compared to a RX 480) .. And of course there are differences with ram, clocks and other stuff. Someone needs to dig for a better juxtaposition. With Zen Sandy Bridge performance is expected, also 4.0 GHz turbo on a 8 core chip is...

  10. Xbox One S gets 16nm FinFET SoC (TSMC)

    Isn't the new "unified platform" strategy supposed to make Xbox games available on the PC? Xbox exclusive includes windows store.

  11. Value Proposition of Pascal Titan X

    Nvidia is pretty consistent in their raising of prices, by about 200 dollars. the 1080 is a 500$ Card, sold for 700, when compared to the other first gen card on 28nm (GTX 680 IIRC). Titan OG was "a cool grand". The 670 launched for 400 dollars (1070 is +50 $), the 660 launched for 230 $...

  12. New Pascal Titan X!

    Made a little overview.

  13. Am I crazy for Founders Edition?

    I bought a similar "shoe box" form factor called NSK 1380 back in the day when Antec was all the rage. Suffice it to say, not making that mistake again. It even came with a power supply and its own supplemental blower cooler! If air flow is a problem then maybe it's time to solve the problem at...

  14. Understanding monitor resolution

    Yes, there are downsides to scaling, as it isn't a trivial problem to solve. Still the biggest downside is, not knowing how to set it up. To which all the Amazon quotes you have compiled seem to attest. Because Microsoft buried it a dozen clicks and several check boxes deep. And honestly...

  15. Am I crazy for Founders Edition?

    That's what marketing spin is: surface level "logic". I tried to give an in depth explanation how it helps to separate the noisy fan from the exhaust fan, but you chose to ignore it. Another perhaps more obvious thing is that AIB-Coolers use 2 or 3 fans and heatpipes, to distribute the heat...

  16. Understanding monitor resolution

    ... given how Windows scales. Which is, not at all. It shows everything pixel for pixel by default, which is why one needs to drill down into display settings, check a box then scaling options appear, 100 - 125 - 150%, check another box to scale manually. Low PPI dispay are quite terrible...

  17. Am I crazy for Founders Edition?

    Because it's a smarter compromise, while I cannot help but think that the "dumping heat inside the case" rhetoric is complete and utter BS and marketing spin. Overall it's better for the noise profile to use 2 stages of fans (card and case fans) rather than trying to do all things at once with...

  18. Understanding monitor resolution

    96 DPI is the traditional default pixel density for PCs, for which fonts and font sizes were designed, with a distance of about 60 cm or two feet in mind. You can set a scaling factor in windows, which eliminates the need to constantly zoom in and out. I set a default of 125% scaling for my...

  19. Geforce GTX 1060 Thread: faster than RX 480, 120W, $249

    From my point of view, the 1060 is a bit of a pointless card, it's the same price per shader core as the 1070, if you compare either price point. (~5 Cuda cores for a dollar). At least the 1080 at this same core price commands a 100 dollar premium. With a 2560x1080 ultrawide monitor people are...

  20. Why isn't fps proportional to display resolution?

    The biggest gains from Vulcan are seen on lower resolutions, which means that the close to metal API improves resolution scaling. How many sites hyping this stuff up, actually figured it and managed to point it out? The ratio of how much stuff should scale to how much performance actually...

  21. Japan's Softbank to buy ARM for £23.4bn [Financial Times][NYT][Bloomberg]

    What good is an all time high share price if currency is at a long time low. What do you do with all those pounds, buy shares of British companies that haven't been gobbled up, yet?

  22. Why isn't fps proportional to display resolution?

    GTA5 on GTX 1080 from AT bench 1920x1080 (105.5 FPS) = 9.47867 ms per frame 3840x2160 (36.7 FPS) = 27.2479 ms 4x resolution ( ) ≠ 2.87x frame time Not exactly proportional. I too like to hear the technical nitty gritty. Something like only building the geometry is proportional to...

  23. Why isn't fps proportional to display resolution?

    One minor reason is, resolution and frame rate they are inversely proportional. Which needs to be accounted for. +100% resolution should result in 50% less frames. I wonder what happens if you switch FPS for increasing frame times. Well they still wouldn't be quite proportional. Still, this...

  24. RAM performance test by frame time analysis [PCgameshardware.de]

    Boom, very good catch. The simple fact is you can't get DDR4 with modules less than 4 GiB in size. The demo is pointless in the first place. However they tested DDR3. Which means that to test all 4 configs, they'd need a 4 DIMM x 2 GiB DDR3-2166 Kit. It's possible but I find it unlikely, they...

  25. No one complains about the $1700 price of i7 6950X?

    Yes, it would appear that Max Turbo refers to (Turbo Boost MAX 3.0) where you can, and Ian Cutress did set one core to 4.0. However it wasn't used for benchmarking. 3.5 GHZ seems to be the limit of the default Turbo Boost 2.0. That is a curious feature, flat overclocks aren't really desirable...

  26. No one complains about the $1700 price of i7 6950X?

    It's weird on the summary page it shows "up to 3.7" but if you click the ark.page shows max turbo 4.0 for both. Could those lower clocks be un-core ? http://ark.intel.com/products/series/94211/Intel-Core-i7-6900-Desktop-Processor-Series#@Desktop

  27. No one complains about the $1700 price of i7 6950X?

    What took so long for Intel to create an 8/10 core CPU with 4 GHz turbo? IF half of a quad-core K chip is graphics, why does an 8 core cpu with no IGP and a similar die size, cost 3 times as much? 14nm seems to be a step back in OC headroom, and higher leakage beyond 3.x GHz. Why do we see CPUs...

  28. No one complains about the $1700 price of i7 6950X?

    Regarding the hefty price tag for the first consumer "dual digit core" processor, I just came up with that... Marketing theory, or let's call it common sense or evil psychology: teaches us that: of the three ideal product SKUs on offer, cheapest, golden middle, and top of the line. The most...

  29. No one complains about the $1700 price of i7 6950X?

    After some contemplation, I'm sure there are reasons that involve limitations of TDP, clocks, memory and stuff like that that make a mainstream octa-core impossible. AMD's Zen will be an 8 core like at what, - 2.5 GHz base and 140 TDP? Maybe wide and aggressive turbo will make it possible so...

  30. Celeron 450 2.2GHz/512/800not usable today?

    My guess, too would be that contemporary OS'es aren't any good at running single thread Celerons, which like all Cererons serve as office workstations. It's the cheapest (65 $) low power CPU you can get in a OEM system, with the shortest time to replacement. And system suppliers still can/could...

  31. Is the 4690K Good enough for 60FPS Gaming, or 4790K or Bust?

    Wow the price difference is around 10-20 bucks, so Xeon with bigger cache and 8 threads is a much better choice, IMHO. Overclocking isn't all that great for games - just a waste of power and heat, it's mostly for system responsiveness. Unless you want 144 FPS at SVGA resolutions or something...

  32. Multi core enhancement - questions

    Clearly, to turbo past the turbo bins is a way to auto-OC and cheat at benchmarks and comparisons. I've never heard of it, but I hope and guess that Intel put an end to this in the generations following Ivy-Bridge.

  33. POLL : Are you a Tech-enthusiast or a Gamer ? or Both

    I agree, enthusiast and gamer are both marketing labels, which serve to stereo-type, exploit and ultimately deride people. Synonymous with terms like "target" or "mark". Unlike gay pride, gamer pride is never going to work to make games cool and acceptable, despite the fact that video games...

  34. The technical merits: Polaris vs. Pascal

    I have to correct myself there Nvidias Base clock is actually more of a typical average (according to Nvidia's Tom Petersen on PCper), and base is minimum clock. AMD base is typical average while boost is absolute maximum. Maximum Clock (AMD Boost) Typical Average (AMD Base) (Nvidia Boost)...

  35. The technical merits: Polaris vs. Pascal

    In techpowerup charts 980 is significantly ahead of 980 ti, which is a much bigger chip. Performance per watt suffers when these things inevitably run into a bandwidth bottleneck, and all flagship cards do. So the size argument is dubious. With Maxwell Nvidia did a similar thing, they released...

  36. The technical merits: Polaris vs. Pascal

    So the RX 480 equals GTX 970 (145 TDP 2x 6pin connectors) in performance as well as performance per watt. Both are min. spec for VR. Which quite officially still puts AMDs graphics cards one generation behind. But now they are cheap, probably because of the mentioned horrible binning...

  37. The technical merits: Polaris vs. Pascal

    To adjust for transistor delta, divide performance by transistor ratio: 1.8x / 1.26 % = 1.43x more performance 1120/1266 MHz (Radeon 480X) 1607/1733 MHz (GTX 1080) Base/Boost 1.43x /1.37x times higher clocks It's funny how the result is exactly 1.43x.

  38. My G3258 Vcore doesn't drop when idling.

    Manual means setting something by hand, override means that the set value won't be changed. They should not be the same. For instance, I type in the (highest) Voltage manually in Adaptive Vcore mode. The highest Voltage is fixed but for lower clocks the CPU picks appropriate voltages from an...

  39. My G3258 Vcore doesn't drop when idling.

    In the ASRock Z97 BIOS the option is called: "CPU Vcore Voltage Mode" --- [Adaptive/Override] Also there is a similar option for the Ring/Cache/Uncore part of the CPU. Never mind offset for now. But looking at your board manual the H81 boards are quite different, they should still have that...

  40. My G3258 Vcore doesn't drop when idling.

    Set Vcore mode to [Adaptive] instead of (Override). Also you can try setting turbo mode to [Enabled], even though Pentium CPUs don't have Turbo states, disabling it in the BIOS did mess with the OC. You can (provided the bios allows it) set a manual Vcore and a negative offset to further reduce...
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