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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Probably because WoW players can run max settings just fine with cards from 2005-06 so many of them are too busy staring at the fugly (ya know it's true, only Blizz's fantastic art dept keeps that game even decently pretty).
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Thanks for the link BFG. I musta missed it @ Ars because I started to skip anything posted that involved DeathPickle. Regarding Computerbase, that's 3 of you giving them props so I guess I've been missing out then 'cuz I've never checked 'em out that I can remember. I really like that they do...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    You forgot the 4850 and arguably the 4770. Also, the conversation as I understand it was about the ATI's last generation of chips, the 4800 series, vs Nvidias, which is the GTX 260, 275, 280, 285 and 295. If you're going to try and add in the prior generation from Nvidia in addition to the...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    I'm not an ATI fan so that's their problem. I'm a bang for the buck fan and I tend to use a number of the more well-known sites that I can actually read w/o a translator. Again though, that's not my point because even if that site is great and reliable, all the other sites I listed aren't...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Considering we're in the ANANDTECH forums would it be too much to ask you to run your analysis on the benches done here or at least some website I've heard of? No seriously, that site you linked might be great but I've never heard of them that I can remember. At the very least, compare an...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Please link a source for this statement because I call BS. Not that this is 100% proof-positive but it's a helluva lot more credible than your 2:1 claim. Add up the Nvidia G200 parts vs ATI's 4800 series and you've got ATI leading Nvidia, by a sizable margin, not the other way around...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    You've got to be handpicking your benchmarks and resolutions to come up with a mere 30% increase because darn near every website out there is showing the 5870 as ~40% and up at higher resolutions.
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Fixed that for ya ;) ATI's profits on their cards has been much better than Nv at every price point except on the GTX 295 since there was no competition for that $$$$ part except, arguably, a pair of GTX 275/280s. Now that it gets undercut, Nv will either keep the price as is and lose sales...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    If you have a GTX 275/4890 or better, upgrading is silly IMO, but that's just my opinion. Outside of that, one good reason to upgrade is to increase average/ minimum framerates and/or improve image quality. There are quite a few games besides FarCry2 and Crysis that get fewer than 60fps when...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    I didn't even notice this, nice attention to detail. You wiki for that or are you able to recall most of that from memory? If the latter, then dude... how many vid cards do you own?!? j/k
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Almost all the rumors I've seen from the various hardware sites put the G300 launch in 2010 invalidating everything you've said. It would also be unprecedented for Nvidia to have kept as silent as they were during a new ATI launch if Nvidia was also soon to be releasing their own new products...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    MODEL3- I understand where you're coming from with your explanation of the performance in your examples, but those examples also show two highly successful product launches that are as good as it gets in this business. It also doesn't take into account that ATI hasn't just gone for the pure...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Thanks! I've been readin' Atech since about '98 though and the forums since about 2001 or so. Usually just a lurker but for some reason I can't access my old username (FlyingRedPanda IIRC). I didn't post much but maybe one of the forum upgrades that happened killed my nick? Last time I can...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Buying cards used on Ebay isn't where most people buy their vid cards. And unless someone is clueless it's pretty obvious that ATI is dropping the 4870x2 so as not to compete against their own product. This is nothing new in the world of sales and marketing, be it Intel's soon to be dropped i7...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    That's silly to compare a 4870x2 vs a 5870. Go check Newegg, Mwave, and other retailers and see how many 4870x2s you can buy. Those cards will be gone soon and the people who already have them won't be upgrading this soon anyhow unless they're the fringe/niche vid card junkies that upgrade every...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Ever notice that every single time we get a new generation of video cards, no matter how good it is, people complain about it either not being good enough or else the price? Even more absurd is that in every survey and poll we see that the average PC gamer upgrades their video cards every ~2...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    I actually meant the die size of the chip, not the cards themselves. Nvidia can't get as many chips off the 300mm wafers which cuts into profits and at the same price point that makes for even slimmer margins blah blah. But yeah, I'm not fond of all these big cards either. I can't use some of...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Assuming these new chips are as competitive as the early rumor graphs, ATI has the market wrapped up on price points until Nvidia can get a new chip on out. Nv can't do much maneuvering on price since g200 is xboxhugelol and any price cuts they make can easily be matched by ATI. Just before the...
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Does that mean buying one at launch = epeen? Oh that was bad. Chuck Norris bad.
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Pffft. Be optimistic. 30 at least. The fanbois have yet to get started.
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Thanks for that slide and good call on the SPs Asianman. Tempered- if ya don't mind, I'm gonna rehost that image and post it in in this thread here.If that's not cool with you just lemme know and I'll take it down.
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Holy freakin' hell. I've been an Atech reader since '98 and a forum lurker for almost a decade. I can't believe I never noticed you're the same person as at Ars =o *raises beer* Cheers!
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    ATi 5850/5870 review thread

    Zipzoomfly has the 5870 listed at the moment (but out of stock). $399. Specs on the HIS part: General GPU Radeon HD 5870 Packaging Retail Interface PCI Express x16 (2.0v) Max Resolution 2560 x 1600 Operation Supported Windows Vista? Specification Core Clock 825 MHz Stream Processor...
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    Any OC'd i5's out there yet?

    For stress testing, after doing the usual burn-in like you have, I tend to run a mixture of programs. Hardware often does fine w/ Prime/Sandra/etc loops, but fail video encoding or gaming stress tests. I'll usually try a few overnight mixtures with looping an rts or fps game simultaneously with...
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    i5 cooler options?

    I've been planning on using the Corsair h50 watercooler for at least one of the two new systems I'm building. The corsair forums have a post that a bracket for 1156 systems is about to hit retail. Supposedly it'll cost an extra $5 or else just a shipping charge. The h50 watercooler costs...
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    Any reason to consider getting a 965?

    If you're set on an AMD rig, I'd hold off till they do a price cut since that's almost sure to happen, and soon. If you have a microcenter near to you so you can get the walk-in prices, your options are excellent. I'm in a similar situation, building a pair of new gamer boxes for me and my...
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    Any OC'd i5's out there yet?

    Hope this doesn't come off like a sales ad, but I just wanted to add that microcenter has dropped their price on the i5 750 to $160 for anyone thinking of jumping into a p55 setup. Downside is it's for walk-in customers only. =/ Here's a couple of the other notable prices I've been watching-...
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    Any OC'd i5's out there yet?

    Thanks for all the detailed info on your experiences. I'm especially curious about the differences between clocking w/ turbo left on versus off. I'm debating hoping down to the Microcenter here in LA/OC to grab a p55 750/860 combo but the mobo/RAM choices are killing me, especially seeing how...
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