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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    NEW Information: The efficientgaming.eu papers I cited saying the Launch PS4 and XB1 are UHD capable now conflict with a required compliance report from Microsoft for the 2013 XB1 which states it is a HD capable console. The Sony compliance reports for the 2013 and 2015 PS4 still say they are...
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    *RUMOR* New Xbox will be '5 times more powerful' than PS4 Neo

    For the PS4: "Polaris 10 can use GDDR5 late 2016 130 Watt TDP less than $299 retail." = about 4TF and the XB1 has to use Vega because they still have ARM IP in the APU. Vega is about 1.5X more efficient than Polaris = 6TF at 130 TDP. PS4.5 should come early 2017 and XB1 II late 2017...
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    *RUMOR* New Xbox will be '5 times more powerful' than PS4 Neo

    Letters to the EU energy board (April 2015) have the following released last month: 1) UHD Capable released in 2013 (XB1 and PS4) will be firmware updated in 2016. UHD Media is delivered as IP using HTML5 and ATSC 3.0 (UHD Antenna TV) includes DRM which is also required for Vidipath and UHD...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    What we already know is that the Custom Panasonic HDMI chip in the PS4 is NOT a HDMI 1.4 chip as it's not listed in Panasonic's on-line catalog of HDMI 1.4 chips. We know that the PS4 and XB1 are officially listed UHD Capable and the PS3 with a HDMI 1.4 is listed as HD not UHD. We know the MS...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    If they were going to support Vidipath then they would have announced so. Or a Downloadable Security Scheme, or DVR ...opps, Microsoft has announced that, or support for Netflix UHD....opps, they have hinted at that. Microsoft and Sony have not announced this but it's coming. There will be...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    I think you are missing the point of boards like this one. While there is an element of testosterone, both sides are doing research and learning to support our positions. Unfortunately, there is so much miss-information on UHD capable and what it means; HDCP 2.2, HDMI 2, HDR, HEVC hardware...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    Post # 32 is fact sourced from your cite and mine. The movie industry wants HDCP 2.2 to take place in the Media TEE. and my cite shows HDCP 2.2 in the ARM TEE. From key words in one of your HDCP 2 cites: HDCP 2.0 was developed in 2008 but primarily used for WiFi and DTCP-IP type DRM. HDCP 2.1...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    Southbridge and the custom Panasonic HDMI chip are a HDMI 2 design with the firmware not yet supporting HDMI 2. There is no disconnect in this except in your mind. As to timing, PS4 and XB1 sales will depend on the UHD Digital bridge for HD disks and Vidipath as well as current DVR support...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    The first two lines are correct, the rest; Yup, that's what it says and it's wrong as the HDMI 2 HDCP is required to be firmware upgrade-able just in case it's broken like HDMI 1.4's FIXED HDCP was in 2010. Once that happened with a fixed HDCP scheme it's forever broken. I've learned to...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    All that proves is that UHD Capable requires HDMI 2 on which we are in agreement. The PS4 and XB1 will be UHD Capable after a firmware update as mentioned in Official papers. Currently APPs on the PS4 do not use an embedded DRM or player. Netflix is 1.1 GB in size why? Every other STB...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    I have an inside source that says the XB1 can support UHD blu-ray with firmware update (MS VP). The Official papers say the XB1 and PS4 are UHD Capable and the XB1 supports HEVC profile 10 with multi-view since June 2015. If the XB1 2013 drive can support UHD Blu-ray with a firmware update...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    1) HDMI pass through will not be needed when Vidipath is fully supported. HDMI pass-through will be dropped in a future XB1. 2) The other part of the puzzle mentioned in the two cites is that the PS4 and XB1 are UHD capable and will be firmware updated sometime in 2016. So three years after...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    So are we just answering a question on HDR or the OP "Can the PS4 and XB1 support HDR" are we now understanding that the XB1 and PS4 have a HDMI 2 port and can support HDR.
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    To blow your main argument out of the water: June of 2015 Microsoft stated the XB1 supports HEVC profile 10 and shortly after AMD announced they use the same hardware to support UVD's HEVC = Xtensa accelerators. More here from Microsoft. Notice one of the Microsoft cites is their testing with...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    Please read the cites. This one is part of an exchange with the EU board regulating power use by consumer products. The first page has a link to another paper and mentions the XB1 and PS4 as UHD Capable Game Consoles. The link takes you to a Letter from Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    UHD Game Consoles shipped in 2013 but won't be firmware updated to support it till 2016.. There is a second paper naming both the XB1 and PS4 as UHD game consoles. So this is understood as confirmed: And for the Player software and License for UHD Game Console There is no such...
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    PS4 - Playing Media

    UHD Game Consoles shipped in 2013 but won't be firmware updated to support it till 2016.. These Papers are from Microsoft and Sony and apply to both equally. BOTH have the same timetable. Vidipath appears to be a part of this timetable. There is a second paper naming both the XB1 and PS4 as...
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    What GPU are all the new concoles using?

    AMD from ekim on NeoGAF.
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    New PS4.5 in the works?

    HDCP 2 is required to support firmware updating so it's not baked in. You are mis-understanding because I think you still assume HDCP is in the HDMI chip like with HDMI 1.4 which can not be updated and is baked into the chip. HDMI 1.4 was broken (2010 I think) and there is no way to fix this...
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    New PS4.5 in the works?

    A ton of features. What is telling is that all the 4K features are based on HTML5 plus W3C extensions which include DLNA for media sharing in the home via Playready which was chosen by the DTLA organization for the DTCP-IP DLNA streaming between platforms in the home (480i to 1080i). 1080P and...
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    New PS4.5 in the works?

    Simple test for HDMI 2. HDMI 2 supports 2 separate video streams. Sony's VR breakout box splits them and supplies one stream to the TV and one to the Goggles. A HDMI 1.4 port can't do that. Proof is in the VR description. HDCP takes place in the Southbridge TEE which is a requirement for...
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    New PS4.5 in the works?

    4k @ 24 Hz is possible through HDMI 1.4b. The limiting factor would be HDCP 2 not the speed of the port. The Movie industry to protect their 4K media want only a HDMI 2 and for HDCP 2 to take place in the same SoC TEE with the other Media. That changes what a HDMI chip does, previously HDCP...
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    New PS4.5 in the works?

    UVD through UVD 6 are Xtensa processors of increasing performance with higher versions. AMD says they use the same hardware for HEVC that the XB1 uses and AMD UVDs are xtensa accelerators. The GPGPU compute are Xtensa accelerators. The XB1 has a custom Xtensa DPU not a AMD designed UVD, the...
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    New PS4.5 in the works?

    Yes a MEDIA firmware update is coming at the same time VR is released for the PS4. Playstation's VR goggles plug into a HDMI 2 port. That will be enabled with a firmware update (Firmware 4.0) as will upscaling to 4K, HTML5 <video>, Embedded Playready, HEVC, UHD Blu-ray and likely a Video Chat...
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    New PS4.5 in the works?

    Thanks for providing the link. If you read the paper it's all software video processing and has nothing to do with HDMI hardware. First it's an attempt to have one UHD movie that can play on all platforms including Cell Phones. It's dynamic in that the movie gets modified depending on the...
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    New PS4.5 in the works?

    At the consoles release in 2013 we have the following statements: The Xbox One supports both 3D and 4K Blu-ray discs at present. &#8220;There&#8217;s no hardware restriction at all,&#8221; said Microsoft&#8217;s Yusuf Mehdi at the time to Forbes. There is no hardware restriction. How does he...
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    New PS4.5 in the works?

    Yup, it made me rethink my position for a few seconds but the less powerful XB1 has all the hardware including drive to support UHD Blu-ray according to their Xbox VP. Microsoft, Sony and AMD have been working on Hardware DRM needs for years. Microsoft and AMD are ARM Trustzone partners...
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    New PS4.5 in the works?

    Yes 4K Console gaming is not possible till November 2017 at the earliest and then only massively more expensive (14nm Zen + polaris + HBM). This rumor is about a future PS5 that likely has the naming convention changed so that the consumer knows it runs PS4 software = PS4.5 or PS4K...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    The point of the Microsoft VP statement is that the XB1 has the hardware to support UHD Blu-ray. HDR metadata does not require extra hardware to stream it, it becomes part of the HDMI stream. Both the transmitter and receiver have to recognize and handle the metadata properly...that is...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    I guess there are no UHD players as there is no UHD drive. Guys, this is unequivocally supported by my previous post. There is no such thing as a UHD drive. It is not listed in the Mt. Fuji Commands for Multimedia Devices Version 9. Table 6 page 83 lists the disk FORMAT for V 1.4 and V 2...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    And I'll raise you four quotes that the XB1 and PS4 can support UHD media in all it's forms. In addition the BDA mentions Game Consoles: The UHD player (Not drive) is required to support the following DRM: In the Oct 2015 Mt. Fuji Commands for Multimedia Devices Version 9 The 3 layer 100 GB...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    You are confusing the player with the drive. There currently is no UHD player in the PS4. The drive is a modern post 2010 drive that can RELIABLY read a 3 layer disk. Before 2010, Blu-ray drives could read 3 to 6 layer disks with a firmware update. Edit: Yes the drive can not read a Version 2...
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    Can the Xbox 1 or the PS4 handle HDR blu-ray?

    The PS4 will support 4K blu-ray HDMI 2.0a is the HDMI standard that added HDR which is a small amount of meta data added to the stream. HDMI 2.0a has no hardware change, HDMI 2 and HDMI 2.0a use the same hardware. The movie industry for UHD Blu-ray requires the HDCP to take place in the...
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    AMD CEO talks of long-term turnaround

    This is speculation trying to determine what the "Beyond Gaming" AMD semi-custom win is all about. From past AMD quotes these "wins" are min 300 million in revenue. That volume just about only supports Gaming SoC/APUs but it's beyond gaming??? Oban was a descriptor for a NOC Fabric used by...
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    AMD CEO talks of long-term turnaround

    It's been confirmed the PS4 has Tensilica Audio DSPs which are Xtensa processors with DSP co-processors on the Xtensa controlled package. If you use Tensilica IP for audio you MUST use Tensilica IP for the video or you can't use the Tensilica software libraries for Codecs etc. Sony moved all...
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    AMD CEO talks of long-term turnaround

    These might confirm that Yukon got to FAB testing before it was abandoned in favor of Durango without a PowerPC on interposer for BC. Then Jaguar's direct ESRAM was designed in and a higher clock Jaguar than PS4 for BC emulation.
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    AMD CEO talks of long-term turnaround

    Back to features that could result in a AMD turnaround. DSTAC WG3 Report Most of this paper is discussing the implementation of a security system both the hardware and software requirements. The two proposals for a downloadable security scheme, both likely use Sony's Passage, are: 1) HTML5...
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    AMD CEO talks of long-term turnaround

    Good find. So the two blocks in the XB1 Jaguar are identical to a block in the PS4 memory controller. That makes sense as it's supposed to support coherent memory access to ESRAM.
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    AMD CEO talks of long-term turnaround

    Notice the thin black line (above block diagram) going from ESRAM to the CPU coherent cache which I think represents the custom Jaguar to ESRAM connection you can physically see in die shots. Compare the XB1 Jaguar to PS4 Jaguar. In the XB1 upper Jaguar upper right and lower Jaguar lower right...
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    AMD CEO talks of long-term turnaround

    I agree that the ESRAM choice was for GPU NOT GPGPU of which 15 blocks are primarily ARM and Xtensa Stream processors. Xtensa stream processors have their own memory and access main memory or other blocks on the ARM AXI buss as NOC not needing the bandwidth the GPU needs. For the PS4 the GPU...
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