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  1. Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    There are lots of companies switching to Windows from Macs. Mine included. There are a lot of areas where Windows still has a large advantage.
  2. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Lion Cove on 18A is slated for Diamond Rapids. That is the Gen where I think Intel can catch AMD.
  3. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Am I the only one who wonders how a high end, pre-production motherboard like this ends up on someone's couch laying on a blanket next to a 2010 Macbook Pro 13" running Windows?
  4. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    2.5MB per core is definitely more realistic than 5MB per core. (I think you meant 2S 128 core system)
  5. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Guess its that time now to just wait for EMR and hope for better efficiency.
  6. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Holy crap! If that is indeed accurate then I am happy I decided against a SPR build. Intel still has work to do.
  7. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    At what frequency? 5.3, 5.4? And a 12900K runs at what, 17W-19W idle? What you posted does not conclude that a single core is using 41W by itself at 5.0Ghz.
  8. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    You may be correct, I don't know for certain. I would have hoped they would, but it is Intel we are talking about. What was an Alder Lake 12700k (minus E-cores) pulling at 5.0Ghz? Edit: I am seeing numbers online in the 270-280W range for 5.0Ghz with E-cores active). That's a fairly big...
  9. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Based on what calculation? A 13700k pulls in ~200 watts at 5.0Ghz on Prime95 small (with E-cores active @ 4.0Ghz). For argument sake, lets say it pulls 200W with the E-cores off. They are on the same process node as SPR and the P-cores are essentially the same cores (minus AVX512). To me...
  10. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    No, they did not. We had X299, X99, etc. for all that. But you are right, Intel is targeting people with too much money. I was waiting for Fish Hawk myself (was on X299), but when they announced the pricing, I went with a 13700k instead. I can't justify ~$2500 for just a motherboard and 16...
  11. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Honestly, I would not call these HEDT. They are clearly in the Workstation realm (Xeon and TR Pro). In my opinion, HEDT was sort of a middle ground between the consumer lines and workstation lines. Give us an i9 (all big cores), without ECC RAM and able to work on a motherboard that does not...
  12. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Yea, for a 56 core CPU. A 24 core variant is not pulling 1000w.
  13. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Source? There is no way a 24 core CPU is pulling 1000 watts.
  14. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    No, I just sold it a few weeks back when I got my 13700KF.
  15. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    I think this is rather misleading. Those numbers look like quad channel for that speed RAM. Remember that not all motherboards support 8 channel memory even though they support those CPUs. The ASRock board used here does NOT support 8 channel.
  16. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Unfortunately, its been that was since Skylake SP. I had to overclock the mesh by 25% on my Cascade Lake-X CPU just to get close to the latencies of their desktop CPUs. But it appears to be even worse for SPR.
  17. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Read what I wrote again. I said people who buy these types of Xeons (for AVX512 and AMX) are less concerned with total power output from these racks. I never said all server buyers don't care about power. Of course there are plenty of instances where efficiency is preferred (that's why you...
  18. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Exactly. Server CPUs are not designed to have mobile level power requirements due to a lot of other die area needed for extensions like AVX512 and AMX. And to be honest, the people who buy these types of Xeons are not concerned about 300W vs. 500W.
  19. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Were you expecting Intel to produce CPUs (on a bad node) that could reach 90,000+ Cinebench score while only magically pulling 300 watts?
  20. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    I don't know where you read that the 3495X was supposed to best a 5995WX, but everything I read was that Intel was not expecting to pass AMD until Diamond Rapids in 2025/2026. SPR and EMR were going to try to compete with the 3995WX. No argument that the process node they are on is causing...
  21. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    So comparing a 64 core system to a 56 core system, and the numbers are fairly close. I do not see that as a huge disappointment at all from a performance perspective. Power, on the other hand, is disappointing for SPR. I am not claiming SPR is a competitive product in 2023 (it may have been...
  22. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    I am going to pretend you didn't say Geekbench, but do you have a source for the Blender and V-Ray comparison? I honestly have not seen that yet.
  23. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    But its not really. We all know SPR is 2 years late due the 10nm disaster at Intel. It was designed (at the time) to compete with Rome/Milan. Intel never claimed that SPR would compete with Genoa, they (and we) know that's a lost battle. Everyone knew this before SPR launched and yet people...
  24. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    I really do love these forums. People jumping all over SPR (Xeon) because of a lower than expected Cinebench score (not by much) and a higher than expected power draw on said benchmark. - SPR has up to 8 memory channels for memory intensive applications (not measured in Cinebench) - SPR has up...
  25. Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

    $899 for what is a 4070 card. LOL. Been with Nvidia for years, but this will be enough for me to switch.
  26. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    I think the next HEDT we will see from Intel will be SPR. And honestly, I am quite excited about it.
  27. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Can't tell if that is sarcasm or not. I really hope it is.
  28. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    I think people sometimes lose sight of the fact that gaming benchmarks are not the only decision factor that goes into selecting a CPU for many users.
  29. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    I think it is safe to say that Willow Cove, in its current form, is only going to be a mobile product. Both desktop and server will go from Sunny Cove (or Cypress Cove) directly to Golden Cove for SPR and ADL. Sure intel could release SPR with a modified Willow Cove like originally planned, but...
  30. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Looks like it could be Cascade Lake AP (2 dies). Copper Lake only had 1 die. *Edit* No, it clearly looks like socket 4677. https://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-sapphire-rapids-granite-rapids-cpus-lga-4677-compatible-ddr5-pcie-5/
  31. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    I'm sure there are plenty of AMD threads to post in. This is supposed to be about Intel products.
  32. Question nVidia 3070 reviews thread

    Same thing happened to me. Best Buys system is a joke.
  33. Question 'Ampere'/Next-gen gaming uarch speculation thread

    Best Buy's system is a joke. 100% Bot friendly. I guess all decent IT people don't work for Best Buy.
  34. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Well, I just dropped $1300 on a Cascade Lake upgrade because I am betting Sapphire Rapids will not see the light of day in 2021.
  35. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    IPC has nothing to do with how high a core can clock, hence IPC. Also, it was the process node (10nm) that limited Sunny Cove clocks, not the uArch.
  36. Discussion Optane Client product current and future

    I have been enjoying my Optane drive for a few years now. When you consider Optane drives are far cheaper than SSD's were back when they were first released, its not too bad actually. No need to wait for the future! Then again, I am getting very impatient waiting for Alder Stream and/or the...
  37. Discussion Optane Client product current and future

    Anyone have an update on Alder Stream?
  38. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    If true, may as well just kill it and try to release Sapphire Rapids in late 2021.
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