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    Haswell i3-4150 vs FX 8320/e for budget gaming rig?

    You made a claim and then failed to deliver the official evidence, and when confronted about it, your reaction is to respond with generic troll trash trying to save face? (In which things it is as fast? Games? Not in 95% of them) This was the worst response in a logical debate I've ever seen...
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    Company of Heroes 2 - fascinating CPU benchmarks

    The big difference, is that you turn down a setting or two and get the desirable 60 fps on the i7, whereas you're stuck with 40 fps with the FX. CPU bottlenecks is the last thing you want in gaming.
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    When is AMD ever a good value?

    We don't want 40ms so we avoid dual cores. We don't want 20fps so we avoid IGP's. Common sense for gamers. However, you seem fine promoting the stuttery mess an IGP provides.
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    When is AMD ever a good value?

    I can see your point, however the "good enough" argument has a lot of pitfalls. First of all, going by that graph, FX4300 compared to FX6300 has only 2 fps difference (45 vs 47 fps). So why not save some more money and buy the FX4300? Then again, Phenom II x4 965 @ 80 $ also provides 'good...
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    When is AMD ever a good value?

    I'll just leave this here for the people that starting to get delusional about FX8350 beating the i5.
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    "Steamroller" could crush "Haswell"?!

    I like how you just compared the imaginary price & imaginary performance of an imaginary CPU that ain't coming any time soon, with a product that's available. This thread sets a new bar on how to do stupid debates based on your imagination.
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    Intel crap

    Is this galego's little brother?:sneaky:
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    CCI completes probe into Intel malpractice [The Times of India]

    Taken from stackoverflow The news article was not about Intel's compilers. So neither will this thread. Please take that to another thread if you wish to continue -ViRGE
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    CCI completes probe into Intel malpractice [The Times of India]

    "Winners make adjustments. Losers make excuses" The compiler issue is another excuse for AMD shortcomings. What does prevent AMD from releasing their own compiler? Why do developers use the Intel compiler (when they do), if it doesn't provide optimal performance for 1/4 of their user base...
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    CCI completes probe into Intel malpractice [The Times of India]

    The whole world is conspiring against your favorite company. ^_^
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    Should AMD have focused on a Steamroller high TDP product line instead of Vishera?

    That would be nice & interesting to see. Too bad that he buries his head in the sand when he's asked to actually prove all the nonsense he's spreading.
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    Should AMD have focused on a Steamroller high TDP product line instead of Vishera?

    1) Average is what matters, and it has been proven many times that whatever 2-3%,if any, gains for windows 8 are both for Intel & AMD cpus, therefore using Win7 or 8, will not make or break the results. An i7 destroying the FX in Win7, will do the same in Win8 and by the same margin. 2) Your...
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    Should AMD have focused on a Steamroller high TDP product line instead of Vishera?

    All the points you make are so false, I'm just wondering if you are actually serious. First, let's leave the marketing keyword ,up to, outside. In cold numbers reality, both Intel & AMD gained ~ 2-3% on Windows 8, on average, and that's what matters. Second, Linux has not 8%. Head over to the...
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    Should AMD have focused on a Steamroller high TDP product line instead of Vishera?

    Terrible argument. You compare different versions of windows (7,8) that are almost the same platform, with a totally different os that has 1% market share. That's like saying, "Why benchmarks are run for Ubuntu 12.10 when 13.04 has bigger market share?" Well guess what, architecture and core...
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    Should AMD have focused on a Steamroller high TDP product line instead of Vishera?

    Linux OpenBenchmark: check Eurogamer poll: check This is like the 30th time you mention them? Like a salesman, going door to door, repeating the same old story, and ignoring the rest 99% of the results that disagree with their point. I like how you bury your head in the sand though when...
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    Should AMD have focused on a Steamroller high TDP product line instead of Vishera?

    seems legit :D
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    Should AMD have focused on a Steamroller high TDP product line instead of Vishera?

    It would probably consume 4x the power, and be slower in almost everything, as always. :cool: But whatever makes your bed wet. Let's skip the "colorful" euphemisms next time -ViRGE
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    Best CPU/Mobo combo for Gaming/Vid <$300?

    Everyone was like "Oh, a Core I7/I5 is a waste, because you will be GPU bottlenecked all the time" In reality, I had frame drops in GTA IV / Shogun 2 / Civilization V / WoW / Starcraft 2 / Assassins Creed / Witcher / Boarderlands 2 / Battlefield: Bad Company 2 aka a lot of games I played, not...
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    Best CPU/Mobo combo for Gaming/Vid <$300?

    I had a Phenom II 965@4 ghz before, also, and was told it wouldn't be a bottleneck in games. That was half the truth. In reality, in almost half the games played I had frame-drops or low gpu usage. After 1.5 year I switched to an i5 2500, and those things disappeared. Applications/games scale...
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    The little things - why Linux still isn't ready for prime-time.

    I use Xubuntu on my weak netbook and it does wonders. However, when I attempted to make linux my default OS in my desktop, all hell broke loose. I use dual screen, with one beeing in portrait mode to fit more code verticaly. After Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu and Mint all failed to properly set up...
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    AMD unleashes first ever commercial “5GHz” CPU, the FX-9590

    Since you judge CPUs based on GPU bottlenecked games then : by your logic we can safely assume that FX8350 is an uber-fail since it has the same fps as the good old 2009 Phenom II.
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    AMD unleashes first ever commercial “5GHz” CPU, the FX-9590

    Actually the I5s & I7s are faster in everything, but keep living in your dream world, where repeating the Open benchmark from Linux, and the article from developers, a dozen times per day, will actually make people believe AMD cpus are better. In reality though, AMD is slower in 95% of the...
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    AMD A10-6800K Integrated GPU

    The op hasn't mentioned he plays at 720p. You however, can state whatever you want, but due to your known bias towards AMD I'll prefer to believe the common bencmarks that show 15-20 fps @ 1680x1050. That fps is unacceptable and not playable at all. And you still haven't answered me, why I...
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    AMD A10-6800K Integrated GPU

    I don't see him stating anywhere he plays at 720p. Yes if you play 720p & low details, you get playable frame rates, but games look like utter crap. But even if someone can tolerate this, it still isn't a wise buy since for 25$ more you get double the frame rates. If I want to travel long...
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    AMD A10-6800K Integrated GPU

    http://www.techspot.com/review/681-amd-a10-6800k-a4-4000/page6.html Is this what you call playable? Medal of honor: 18 fps Metro last light: 14 fps Max payne 3: 24 fps And mind you this is 1680x1050. Cut another 15% from fps for 1080p. Since when 15 fps is considered playable? That's a...
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    Give me a reason to go AMD... I WANT TO BELIEVE.

    Yes I'm sure Apple will love the the performance/watt of FX :thumbsdown: If Apple ever abandons Intel, dont expect it will be for AMD. They would have nothing to gain, and lots to lose.
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    AMD A10-6800K Integrated GPU

    For gaming you should go for a 7750. Yes you can torture yourself with an A6800, playing at 20 fps/low details, however when for 30$ more you can get double the performance, it's a no brainer. Yes you can game on in IGP, however it sucks, and it's just not the right tool for the job.
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    AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

    I checked out techspots review and at 1680x1050 med details, almost every game plays at 17 fps. This is half from what playable is called.IGPs are going to matter only when we can have double the current performance.
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    AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

    I agree with your last point. If your budget is the absolute minimum, and the A6800 moves to the 120-130$ range, It will be a nice choice for a casual gamer with an old monitor who games 4-5 times a month. I'm just finding that this target group is a very special niche for a product to be...
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    AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

    Almost all cheap mobos can run a Phenom 965 just fine. No extra money there. With a 7750, even a 400 watt corsair PSU is overkill, which is the minimum people get today at PSUs so no extra money there also. Lastly, I don't think a budget gamer who can choose between +50 watt consumption or...
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    Give me a reason to go AMD... I WANT TO BELIEVE.

    I'm using Linux from 2007. It's market share among us, regular users and not servers or supercomputers has always been 1% to 2%. The 8% figure you are fantasizing yourself would be pretty nice if it was true, since it's a great OS, but unfortunately it's not true. If Linux had wider adoption...
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    AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

    Haswell is a performance/enthusiast CPU. You pay to get top CPU performance. Noone in their mind will spend 200$/300$ on a CPU alone, and not get a dGPU if they are gaming. If Haswell's target group is budget gamers, then it's a failed product too, agreed. AMD APUs on the other hand, are...
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    AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

    Apples to apples is Haswell to FX. If not, then tell me what is the competitor to FX? Also, you forgot to mention the part that we're talking about CPUs, and the CPU performance of haswell is twice of an 6800. You don't judge a CPU on a part that 10% care about (iGPU) and ignore the main point...
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    AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

    Way of moving the goalposts again. Haswell compared to it's competitor, FX, has: - A lot better CPU performance (that's the primary reason for a CPU purchase aint it?) - 1 / 3 the power consumption - IGP (FX has none) Let's compare apples to apples please.
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    AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

    So the solution you have then is to get the APU and play at 17 fps. No good, sorry. I can always get a Phenom II 965 for 90$ (25 $ more expensive in total from what you are suggesting) and stomp down any APU. 25$ for double the performance, is absolutely worth it.
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    AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

    With the G2020 & 7750 at the same price, I'm getting double the performance. Power consumption is only relevant in large enough differences, like the FX case where it consumes double and triple the power. You talk about 5-10 watt differences which are a non-factor. So, you expect me to lose...
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    AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116886 65 $ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102969 90$ Explain to me, why shouldn't I gave the same money to buy a G2020 & 7750 dGPU and have double the performance in gaming?
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    AMD Richland for desktops reviewed

    It's made from AMD therefore they support it. Banana ape logic. Most people I know wouldn't torture themselves playing at 20 fps @ low-medium details, but these guys here are trying to convince us it's the next best thing. Well if it is so great for all those people, AMD should be having a...
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    Give me a reason to go AMD... I WANT TO BELIEVE.

    According to the AMD armada, whatever puts FX in a positive light is fair. Hey, let's dump logic and celebrate about one benchmark in a platform with 1% usage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems, and ignore the rest 99% of benchmarks in all the other platforms, and call...
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    Is Desktop Haswell a dud? How many are not "upgrading"?

    You're trying too hard.
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