NVIDIA always launches a high mid range + Titan $1000 card first, then a $1000 performance level card for $699 a year later to mop up the rest of sales for that gen.
My guess is they will time this to squash Navi excitement. (and create halo product effect on a far larger scale than the $1000...
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/926-gainwards-geforce-6800-gt-ultra2400-golden-sample-goes-like-hell-256mb/
6800 GT Ultra2400 Golden Sample Goes Like Hell ….LOL! They used to have some of the best names and best cards.
Gainward has been a NVIDIA partner forever, back in the day they would have great names like "Golden Iridescent Duckling Edition".
I haven't seen them around in the states for years, probably more an Asian/European brand.
Leadtek and Gainward used to be the brands to get, long ago.
It's that way with everything and always has been. Truform, Glide, PhysX, 3D, spanning monitors- all "the way of the future".
The top end cards probably aren't selling "bad" compared to Titan cards of generations gone by, just bad compared to past Ti cards. My guess is all the people who...
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I wasn' saying that. I was trying to say that between AMD not in the high end race, and the miner driven scarcity of what they have, what NVIDIA does or doesn't do is kind of a moot point.
If you want a high end card you have to buy NV.
If you want a low, mid, or mid high card you may well...
I just went to newegg's site.
As long as Vega 64s a. cost a lot more than GTX1080s b. have far fewer models available to purchase c. perform at a lower level than 1080Tis, does it really matter what corporate policies on GPU distribution are to gamers?
Length of time between releases, lack of competition at leading edge, only two firms competing at mid range, and mining are the problems facing choice and competition for computer gamers.
GPP? OK, but until the above are resolved, BOHICA.
This doesn' make any sense, no offense intended.
AMD wants to build market share, not sell a few cards at a higher price.
For easy numbers: What is better? Selling eight $600 cards for $100 profit each, or selling two for $200 profit each?
The lack of Vegas in the market is pretty surprising...
I have my doubts as to how much sitting presidents impact the economy as a whole.
Trump can cut taxes, but it doesn't guarantee reinvestment in one of the more expensive labor markets in the world.
Federal environmental regs can be relaxed, which might solve the healthcare issue by giving us...
Ummmm...cheating in 2003 is somehow worth mentioning in 2017?!
Look up Quack/ATi, the image quality of the ATi Rage Fury MAXX that they gave up on making drivers for, and the original FCAT frame pacing articles and run in terror from AMD/ATi cards.
Or just remember that it's 2017 and NVIDIA...
I don't think Vega in a vacuum is a bad product, it's really good enough for almost everyone.
Vega's problem is 1080/1080Ti are very GOOD products comparatively. (and Vega doesn't exist by itself)
There's some decent logic here, and it illustrates further the problem we as consumers face in the absence of competing products.
Theoretically if the lowest end "poor Volta" beats 1080Ti by 20% NVIDIA can release it for $999, and then just start working their way up the ladder.
It's not...
If you had a product with no competition, would you sell it for less money than you could get for it?
Until someone delivers products that offer a compelling alternative NVIDIA will charge highh prices and vendors will mark them up more.
When prices reach a point customers won't pay they will...
While this is true, his point that those waiting only missed out on gaming at this level of performance for that time is valid.
For gamers, it turned out the only valid reason to wait for Vega was if one owns a Freesync monitor or was planning to buy one. For everyone else, they would have been...
Sorry, wasn't aware I was in the presence the best looking, richest, most athletic, most intelligent man on the planet....
Wait- you're not any of those things?! FAIL!! Why do you even try? Shouldn't you be hiding yourself away trying to do better?
;-)
More seriously, I agree that in general...
Tech has got to be the only market on the planet where if your release doesn't crush the opposition, you get burned at the stake.
Do people flame Campbell's for making worse baked beans than Bush? No.
Personally, I'm glad to see the Vega product line because they offer choice at all but the...
OK, but does that even matter?
Lets say with drivers they DO keeping improving their competitive position, maybe even get close to 1080Ti in a couple years. To what end? a 1080Ti will be a pretty slow card two years from now.
Well that's got to be a new record for single card. I would guess you're going to be wanting a good 1000W PSU as well, and if that is true it could definitely add some cost to your build.
No. F'ing. WAY.
After literally YEARS of waiting, reading the "Raja says it's not Fiji" quote 3,000X, the wait for real benchmarks goes on?!?
YeeeeARRGGGHHHHH!!!
LOL AlwaysMaintainingDelay
Well, color me disappointed. I thought this was launch day. :(
It's a lot better looking card than what Kyle had over at HardOCP. This one looks like a card you might spend $500 on at least. The slab Kyle had looked like two hundred bucks, maybe.
You're speaking from the perspective of a gamer disappointed that it took a long time and apparently won't be a "home run" part.
I'm disappointed too, my 290 aftermarket was a HUGE value with all the games they tossed in. I skipped FuryX because I couldn't see buying a "next gen" 4GB card when...
I bet you don't own a business then.
You seem to be missing the facts that:
1. Only one team can have the best idea/design.
2. You can't tell a team, "Go make the best design!" They either have the best invention or they don't, and you find out long after choices have been made for the...
It's a pretty meaningless cost, so the only people with much reason to care are miners and HTPC case people.
If a person games five hours a day the difference in a 150w card and a 300W card is 750W a day. 1Kwh of electricity costs thirteen cents, so 750W costs ten cents a day more. People...
$699 would be an...."optimistic" launch price in my opinion.
To launch same/lower performance at higher power/heat with only FreeSync as your "ace in the hole" seems unwise to me. 1080Tis offering much more performance (based on what we've seen only) can be had for that...
You think four years ago AMD was betting that there would not be high end graphics needs in 2017, and to address this they designed the Vega? Which is a pretty big chip?
Interesting that Kyle is going along with the "blind freesync vs gsync" methodology AMD has been showing, albeit with a 1080Ti.
1. With the counter off and his "playable only" settings, he could probably compare to that Volta making an odd appearance in this thread.
2. Wonder if the Vega review...
Do they?
Or do they just need to sell 30-40% of the $500 price point market for a year for this to be profitable? 20% of it?
Again, AMD is a business and recouping investment for the firm and making some money to show the shareholders is all they care about.
I think it will sell fine at $499 MSRP. Freesync, mining,fans, dx12, are all big factors.
Personally I think if it comes with an AIO water cooler it will sell out at $549..
Everyone considering a new monitor would seriously consider a Vega at the same price as 1080 if performance is comparable and that is their price point. I would think for most people saving $200+ on the monitor trumps "Oh noes this thing will cost me $1.83 more a month to game on!".
The people...
Do you have a job?
Let's say you work at Burger King. Do you stop selling Whoppers because Five Guys makes a better burger? Why not? Whopper is pretty sad in comparison, and you guys at Burger King have been practicing yours for 30 years longer.
Or at higher end, if you're an attorney, going...
Annnnnddd....they are holding back BIG VEGA for the big surprise on NVIDIA because NVIDIA doesn't have any chips more powerful than the GTX1080....like the GTX1080Ti...or the old Titan Xp...or the new Titan Xp...or that bigger pro chip that beats all three of those....and possibly some Volta...
I think what they're saying is that if the Vega had the "gaming goods" they would have made the demo with frame counters on to show its superiority, or used a 1080Ti to show its parity.
To show a Vega compared to a 1080 with the counters off can only be seen as a "We're pretty equivalent to a...
Paper launch or no, folks like AnandTech always get a week or two with the cards to write their reviews so on launch day at NDA time they can all simultaneously give us their take on the new hardware.
So the RX "must" be out in the wild in the hands of reviewers now, or very shortly. AND even...
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