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The Intel Atom Thread

A lot depends on which end of the product range this is and how fully baked that ES & platform is. If it's the high end 8700 equivalent, it's a disaster for Intel and the PC business in general. If it's the low end or a not fully cooked mid range part with crappy ram then it's pretty...
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- Post #4,444
- Apr 18, 2016
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The Intel Atom Thread

Anyone have any sense of how much the awful memory scores for the Broxton is handicapping other results? The difference in memory perf is pretty huge given that Surface 3/CT is a close to year old design vs something that won't even ship in quantity for another 3-4 months at the earliest.
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- Post #4,411
- Apr 14, 2016
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Anybody else disappointed that Anandtech didn't do Microsoft's Windows 10 event?

Bummer. I guess that is what happens when you get lots of review phones and never do the reviews (brian klug) and the whole Anand being on the 'friends of apple' list etc. Too bad though, I would have definitely like to have seen some more technical people/sites giving reviews and less flakes...
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- Post #4
- Jan 22, 2015
- Forum: Windows
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Anybody else disappointed that Anandtech didn't do Microsoft's Windows 10 event?

While there are a few other good technical people who attended (Peter Bright from Ars for example) I'm surprised and disappointed that Anandtech didn't attend or cover it. By the actual release, we'll know almost everything about it. Given both the implications for W10 on the hardware market...
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- Jan 22, 2015
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Intel Broadwell Thread

Intel has to looking to adjust their big core release schedule, this leaking out a small volume in Q4 and then most of the designs shipping in Q1 is sort of a disaster in the PC market. You have very little new product for the 2 big seasons of back to school and Christmas. If it is technically...
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- Post #716
- Oct 16, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Intel lost $1bn on mobile in Q3 '14

Considering how many 8 Core A7 & A53 SOC's have been sold (esp by Mediatek) and are currently expected to be sold in the Chinese market, there is a rather massive amount evidence against your supposition.
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- Post #34
- Oct 15, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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PC Sales basically flat in Q3

Considering that Broadwell didn't ship and that Bay Trail whitebox tablets have just started shipping in #'s in China and Asia, this was pretty much of a given. Haswell is over a year old, Bay Trail is a year old and the platform cost is too high for devices under $250 without contra revenue...
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- Post #32
- Oct 14, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Intel Broadwell Thread

Very reasonable and what a lot of heavy/pro users want and I'm pretty sure you have a better chance of seeing a unicorn. Anything that has Ethernet won't be fanless for a start, it'll be a 15W sku. If you can live with a dongle usb 3/Ethernet adapter (and once I've adapted to that, it's not...
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- Post #675
- Oct 13, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Intel Broadwell Thread

Seen a prototype of this one, it's not as nice as the spec sheet would have you believe. Unfortunately the hinge has a little too much flex in it so using the touch screen is mushy and it's not well balanced, too much weight in the touch screen., if you touch the screen the whole laptop tips...
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- Post #674
- Oct 13, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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[SeekingAlpha] Cherry Trail not ramping until March 2015

Yes and no. While what you are saying it technically correct, there are a host of issues beyond that, getting developers to do it for small titles for a new platform with initially small #'s (chicken/egg problem), deployment, user confusion etc. The lack of initial software support also...
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- Post #114
- Oct 11, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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[SeekingAlpha] Cherry Trail not ramping until March 2015

They could do it but there is very little that is easy about it. Much like Microsoft's struggles with RT, an ARM based OS <whatever #> would have a serious tail of software compiled for Intel. Its not insurmountable but it's a serious pain in the neck for your user base so you had better have...
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- Post #111
- Oct 10, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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[SeekingAlpha] Cherry Trail not ramping until March 2015

Apple certainly is more willing than any other vendor to change ISA's, they have a very loyal userbase that is willing to endure inconvenience. Pros: Profitability. As long as Apple is able to reach a large enough scale and spread the development costs over enough chips, it can be far more...
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- Post #110
- Oct 10, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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[SeekingAlpha] Cherry Trail not ramping until March 2015

yes and no, Apple has done something rather atypical in targeting long run performance with the thermal constraints of a phone. They've clearly sacrificed some top end short run performance for that long run consistency which is rather unusual considering the usage model in phones but it...
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- Post #109
- Oct 10, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Anand Retires!!

Article on 9 to 5 Mac about Apple PR.
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- Post #189
- Sep 2, 2014
- Forum: OT Discussion Club
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The Intel Atom Thread

A12/17 will make strong headway in the midrange and below tablet & mini android pc segment, there are a boatload of products in the pipeline based on Rockchip 3288 that will replace the Allwiner A31, tegra 3 & rockchips 3188 that make up a ton of the $99-$149 market. A lot of bang for the buck...
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- Post #3,122
- Sep 1, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Anand Retires!!

I've always held a high opinion of Anand and this site but to find out within 48 hours that he was only 1 of 5 journalists who were on the 'friends of apple' list that got prerelease hardware for review which meant a significant financial reward for him in terms of page hits (and that he never...
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- Post #177
- Sep 1, 2014
- Forum: OT Discussion Club
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Anand Retires!!

Wrong, you don't know how Apple PR works. 0%.
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- Post #176
- Sep 1, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

It'll be another month or two. They will also be lower spec'd than this, more like 1GB/16GB not 2/32 like this one likely a TN screen instead of IPS. All of which are pretty standard specs in <100 android tablets as well.
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- Post #2,998
- Aug 15, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Intel Broadwell Thread

Prototypes have several luxuries unavailable to production units but it's a step in the right direction. The question is how much of that design is plastic and whether they used a single layer touch screen, unlikely you'd see that in a production 12" tablet until costs significantly improve...
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- Post #97
- Aug 12, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Intel Broadwell Thread

Of course but to get into the Shenzen whitebox tablet makers that's what it takes. Getting some market share and getting their supply chain straightened out so they can compete with the tablet chip makers is really all that Intel can do at this point since the smart phone market is out of reach...
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- Post #96
- Aug 12, 2014
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Intel Broadwell Thread

Which was my point in the first place, I was pointing out that Broadwell-M isn't going to be seen much in Android devices and it would face significant hurdles vs ARM based designs, especially in tablets 10 inches and smaller. Obviously Cherry Trail is intended for that segment. While Cherry...
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- Post #95
- Aug 12, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Intel Broadwell Thread

Those dimensions are still significantly larger than a higher end ARM chip and Intel still isn't doing enough to reduce the overall complexity and size of the typical Intel based PCB. Reducing the size of the packaging of the CPU/GPU & voltage regulation is only about 20-25% of the problem...
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- Post #91
- Aug 12, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Intel Broadwell Thread

That was my point, it's not suited to it either technically due to form factor or by price.
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- Post #90
- Aug 12, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Intel Broadwell Thread

If it doesn't compete at least somewhat, it simply won't sell in the Android market which like the PC market is viciously price sensitive. A $200 price premium and larger, heavier device is going to have a very limited market even with a big performance gain. As for the PCB size/weight, are you...
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- Post #85
- Aug 12, 2014
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Intel Broadwell Thread

Hard to see how this can compete in the Android space pricewise. $200-300 CPU's are common enough in Wintel land but that's a MASSIVE price premium in Android land. Sure it'll smoke an Allwinner A80, Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 and probably whatever Apple's next gen is but you are talking 3x to 5x...
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- Post #81
- Aug 12, 2014
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Intel Broadwell Thread

Broadwell M is the first Intel CPU that will make the whole Surface concept/detachable tablet viable in terms of form factor, battery life and performance. It needs to be light enough to use as a tablet in one hand in an under 10" form factor in the consumer space or about 25% lighter with less...
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- Post #80
- Aug 12, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

Even 8 Gen 8 EU is a quite a large jump up from Bay Trail. It won't excel on the highest res over 9" tablets but it should suffice for anything smaller, 1080p or even 2560x1600.
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- Post #2,477
- Apr 9, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

The margin in this market is to be competing with Qualcomm at the high end not scrapping with MediaTek or Allwinner for under $150 tablet wins with razor thin margins. The higher end products in the tablet market are in a massive pixel/GPU race right now and if Intel wants design wins there...
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- Post #2,451
- Apr 7, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

+1 It's a hedge in case the market starts demanding 64 bit before Qualcomm comes to market with their own 64 bit cores. These will still be decent chips since Qualcomm will have competitive graphics and best in class LTE but they would definitely take a margin hit with these parts as they...
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- Post #2,449
- Apr 7, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

Hm. What I saw/heard was that the BOM was the smallest of gains. Smaller than CPU, smaller than power efficiency, smaller than GPU performance etc. While contra revenue helps, it's a band aid vs having a lower BOM in the first place. You have to throw a lot of $ on the table to make an...
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- Post #2,394
- Apr 2, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

You might be right, Intel I never pay enough attention to the the way Intel switch referring to generations of graphics cores with x generation of HD Graphics cores... Even if it is Haswell instead for Broadwell, it's going to go from OK at 1080p to quite zippy even at 32x18.
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- Post #2,393
- Apr 2, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

It's a pixel race, it's simply easy to market that way and consumers respond to it. Personally, beyond 1080p in the under 10.6 size, I think it's diminishing returns somewhat but that isn't where the industry is headed. As for integration, take a good look at the PCB of something like a...
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- Post #2,392
- Apr 2, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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The Intel Atom Thread

It's not going to be 20-30% on the CPU side unless it's an incredibly memory centric measurement. It will be a substantial gain on the power side however. The GPU side is going to be easily more than 50% in most scenarios, Bay Trail only does ok with 1080p while Cherry Trail should be...
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- Post #2,391
- Apr 2, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

It's going to be a combination of 4 things on the CPU side on the mid-higher end Atom SKU's: slight clock bump allowed by the process node, jump in memory bandwidth & latency, small micro arch improvements & the last and largest change will be significantly increased power efficiency...
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- Post #2,387
- Apr 2, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

There is Wacom and then there is everything else. Too bad Lenovo didn't put it in their ThinkPad 8 tablet, the screen on the ASUS is nice & bright but not that really high dpi that the best tablets have these days.
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- Post #2,318
- Mar 18, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

Most of these kinds of PC's are purchased in enterprise deployments for a specific purpose, not as a general purpose PC. It's fast enough for the line of business type apps these things get used for, other considerations (like battery life or expandability) usually take precedence over speed in...
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- Post #2,310
- Mar 13, 2014
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(Semiwiki) Intel 14nm Delayed Again?

Capex was always going to be affected by ASML bailing on 450.
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- Post #74
- Feb 13, 2014
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(Semiwiki) Intel 14nm Delayed Again?

Hardly. Charlie may play his favorites on occasion & I don't always agree with the conclusions he draws but he usually has a sound engineering basis for his rants.
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- Post #73
- Feb 13, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

Intel has had finished code on this from MS from early Dec, it's been in Intel's lap since then and it's moving at a snails pace. I'll be shocked if Intel delivers before April at the rate they are going on this.
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- Post #2,036
- Jan 17, 2014
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The Intel Atom Thread

Intel is responsible for those drivers, not Microsoft so while it's a software issue, it's waiting on Intel.
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- Post #2,033
- Jan 16, 2014
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking

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