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    iPhone 6s Benchmark Thread

    More than the number of cores, it will be the increase in IPC that Apple brings to the table that has more potential to hurt Intel. Given what A9 can do on a power budget of 2-3W, imagine what they can do right now if the chip can accommodate a power budget of say 10W. It will be more than...
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    Samsung Exynos Thread (big.LITTLE Octa-core)

    This is the phone with the best GPU on the market (40% better than iphone 6 plus) and nearly the best CPU on the market (just a tiny bit slower than the iphone on single thread but vastly more performance on multithread). And it has the fastest DRAM. And the most DRAM of any phone. Also...
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    Samsung Exynos Thread (big.LITTLE Octa-core)

    A while ago Samsung announced its roadmap for microprocessors. They had said they will use ARM cores (A57) on 20nm but use their own core in 14nm. Clearly, they have fallen behind. But there is no reason to believe that they will not be using their own cores for Note 4. Furthermore, it is quite...
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    [TechReport]ARM unveils Cortex-A72 CPU, Mali-T880 graphics, and more

    I remember that well. All the tech forums were awash in the 'fact' of Intel's superiority and how it will soon drown ARM in mobile. such a hoax! The logical question to ask is, why did the AnTuTu author do that. Did he get paid for that? Why would he do that otherwise if there was no monetary...
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    Samsung Exynos Thread (big.LITTLE Octa-core)

    And what part of Intel's 14nm transistors measures exactly 14nm can you please elaborate? i.e. what is the exact transistor dimension referred to when Intel decided to call the node 14nm? o_O With the 1281 single core Geekbench 3 score posted for 20nm Exynos 5433, I am waiting to see what...
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    Samsung Exynos Thread (big.LITTLE Octa-core)

    I guess he is joking. 14nm = 20nm FinFet :\ Sure, it is 20nm FinFet but performance characteristics are 30-50% better than 20nm planar, so that will make a huge difference! The improvement in transistor performance in moving to FinFet from Planar is equivalent to a node move. So, why not a...
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    Samsung Exynos Thread (big.LITTLE Octa-core)

    Thanks Sweepr, great information! Comparing the Snapdragon 810 and the Exynos 7 1) the cores are the same 2) Samsung seems to have the edge in graphics, or at least its at par 3) the audio, from all I can gather is better in Exynos because of the Wolfson DAC 4) Baseband - Qcom holds the...
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    Samsung Exynos Thread (big.LITTLE Octa-core)

    :thumbsdown: It's amazing how every post on mobile SOCs is infected and hijacked by this intel troll. This thread is about Note 4 running Exynos, not Intel moorefield, or crystalwell or broxton or any other SoC from that massive failure in mobile. Get it? Please go and start a new thread...
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    The Great Equalizer redux

    A year and half ago, Anand published a great series of comparisons between old and new GPUs, the best Intel integrated graphics and mobile SoCs. It will be great to get an updated version. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6877/the-great-equalizer-part-3/3 With the Apple A8X and Nvidia...
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    Apple A8x

    Next year in Sep/Oct we will probably get to see both Apple A9/9X and Nvidia Erista, with the Apple chip on Samsung 14FF (from what I have heard) and the Nvidia chip on TSMC 16FF. Intel will also be on 14nm FF. With all of the major players (including Qualcomm hopefully) on 14nm FF we will get...
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    Please anandtech test Spec2006 on A8X

    Practically 16FF (from TSMC) and 14FF (from Samsung, also used by GloFo) is the same thing. TSMC uses the 16nm instead of 14nm designation because of the chinese association of 4 (and 14, 24, 34, you get the picture) with really bad things. 4 is the chinese version of the western aversion to 13...
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    [DigiTimes] TSMC 10 nm trial production in 2015, mass production in 2016

    Just talking about products on shelves, Intel will have products on shelves by 4Q14. Whereas Samsung said they will have 14nm in mass production by 4Q14 and on the shelves by 2Q15 (probably the Galaxy S6) That gives Intel a 6 month lead over Samsung/GF. About performance, we will cross that...
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    Tweaktown : Nvidia Jetson (Tegra K1)

    You should skate to where the puck is heading towards! The vast majority of android devices run on very underpowered GPUs at the moment. And hence, you have most developers targeting the lowest common denominator in graphics horsepower. Thereby you have a preponderance of games like candy...
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    [WSJ] TSMC is shipping 20nm SOCs to Apple

    and sell a phone with a fan attached, I guess :biggrin: iFan anyone?
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    [S|A] Broadwell supply a "trickle" until 2015

    Seriously?? How can that be cost effective? Can anyone else confirm it?
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    [S|A] Broadwell supply a "trickle" until 2015

    Interesting that Intel won't talk about double patterning here in the chart. Intel 22nm trigate was still single patterning while 20nm for the foundries is double patterning. So basically, Intel and the foundries are about par (maybe the foundries are a bit ahead) on that. I am also wondering...
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    [DigiTimes] TSMC 10 nm trial production in 2015, mass production in 2016

    20nm and higher nodes will have a higher cost per transistor solely because of double patterning. I am quite surprised at how the discussion has moved to 10nm. That is far far off guys! For those who think Intel will be ready with a 10nm product on the shelves in mid-2016, do you really...
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    Is Intel's "Process Lead" Somewhat a Sham?

    As IDC pointed out earlier, I don't know why people are comparing Intel's FinFets to the foundries' (TSMC and Samsung/GloFo) since they don't compete as manufacturers in any segment (except perhaps FPGAs). When talking about ARM chips, rather than comparing the foundries' manufacturing...
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    ARM based Opterons incoming!

    Yes, and it is going to be this way (lots of competition, lower than monopoly margins...) whether or not AMD participated in this market. At least, AMD has the uncore done for the server parts. Bring on HSA later with GCN and see what cooks up. Talking of cooking up, what will it take to...
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    ARM based Opterons incoming!

    WRONG! You neither need billions of $ nor 5 years to develop a new custom built ARM core. http://semiaccurate.com/2013/05/15/amds-andrew-feldman-talks-about-arm/ "By Mr. Feldman’s count it takes 400 million dollars and three years to build an x86 server chip. But only 30 Million dollars...
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    Intel CES 2014...what the?

    sorry, are you on crack mate? Their iGPU in Atom is stronger than Nvidia's? Which parallel reality are you surviving in mate? And Intel hasn't been able to beat Nvidia and Qcom because of their obsessiveness with profit, seriously?? not for the lack of trying, they have been churning out one...
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    Google May Be Designing Chips In Threat To Intel

    This lists only the processor (cores) not architecture licensees. Architecture licensees get to design their own core (like Cyclon) while processor licensees are limited to incorporating the licensed processor core in their designs. Hence, you don't see Applied Micro, Apple or AMD in this...
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    CherryTrail-T information.

    Every time there is a discussion, it turns into a shouting match as to how Intel's 14nm (or even 22nm) is superior to the TSMC/Common Platform's 16/14nm. But my dear friends, that is not what is important because Intel and the foundries compete on a very thin sliver of the market (FPGAs, what...
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    CherryTrail-T information.

    Agree with both. However, consider this. Apple spent a ton of money (a technical term, I know) to buy PA Semi and Intrinsity. For them, chip design is a fixed cost, unless of course they want to fire the whole lot of them - which will be insanity. isuppli quotes $19 for the A7 chip, which is...
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    CherryTrail-T information.

    Yes, the i5 4202Y is about a third better than A7. But, you do also realise that the retail price of the Intel Y series processors is ~$304 and Apple pays <$20 for the A7. o_O I don't know why you are even pitting the processors against each other. Unless of course Intel is willing to cut the...
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    Apple set for chips from AMD spin-off GlobalFoundries

    No, not really. For Apple, most of its NAND is manufactured by Hynix and shipped off to Foxconn to be married with Anobit controllers (owned by Apple of course). The DRAM Apple uses is, again, manufactured either in Korea by Hynix or Elpida in Japan, so not US origin. Only the processors are...
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    [TR] Samsung working on custom 64-bit processor core

    ARMv8 has been out for only a couple of years now. Apart from Apple, it seems the only other player to have a ARMv8 core is Applied Micro which designed its own core in XGene. Wait for another 2-3 years, there will be a lot of players with their own cores, specialised for their own applications...
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    Intel to Manufacture ARM CPUs for Altera

    To be fair, ARM 64bit chips aren't out yet. Without 64bit servers were not going to be a viable target anyways. You can't say the same thing about Intel as Nothingness pointed out - they have been at it in the mobile space for 5 years now. And what is their marketshare??:colbert:
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    I wish Intel sticks with its own GPU, a variant of HD whatever, rather than going on board the IMG wagon. (even though they do own ~15% of the company). It will be much better than competition in the GPU space. But then Vivante has been gaining share of late and Nvidia has said that others can...
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    What about the Qualcomm snapdragon pricing then? that is still ~$20 My point is that, no matter how you parse the costs, the best of breed ARM chip costs $20-25. Mediatek, Rockchip sell much cheaper chips for single digit $s. And yes, Intel PC client group ASP includes desktop chips which...
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    The fixed costs overheads are already there. What do you think, Apple doesn't spend anything on designing the A7 chip? But Apple won't spend something like Intel ($10bn) on R&D, though you can make the point that the R&D spend of Intel includes a lot of other stuff... As a comparison, the...
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    The quad-core Intel core i7 haswell processors are around 180mm^2 in area and have 1.5bn transistors. The A7 in iphone 5s is 100mm^2 and has 1bn transistors. The A7 already has higher transistor density but I guess that is because of the larger area given over to the GPU. The Intel core i7...
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    I agree. The incentive for Apple to design a processor with a bigger power envelope will be for it to use it for macbooks/airs. The rationale will be money, IMHO, as long as they can the performance to nearly the same level as Intel. And that is a big incentive. The best intel low-power...
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    Fair enough. You and Exophase have made it clear that it is not trivial. However, am I correct in assuming that it is still possible to design a core (a little different from the A7 obviously) which is nearly 2x the performance of the A7 cyclone. Maybe with 20nm (with performance gains of 20-30%...
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    As Neils Bohr said "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Some of the prediction must fall into speculation by default :biggrin: My point was that the performance is not so different between those two. Just designing a core which can take clock rates of 2.6-3GHz...
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    Speculation, it might be, but consider the facts below: 1) AMD said that one of the reasons they are signing the architecture licensing deal with ARM is because of the ease of designing with ARM. From what I remember reading, it cuts down the time to design significantly and the number of...
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    The A7 TDP is hearsay - from Anandtech and other sites. The Intel TDP is http://ark.intel.com/products/70846 From what I hear, Intel measures TDP of only the CPU cores and not the integrated GPU...
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    Well, everyone says that, but no one has an alternative. I am just using Geekbench as a substitute for performance. But my main point is: can't apple (or any of the ARM design guys, on their 64bit ARM designed processors) 1) Double the clock rate of the A7 (or its soon to be born brothers from...
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    Apple A7 is now 64-bit

    A basic question on the power of the Apple A7. On Geekbench 3, the A7 scores around 1400 for a single core (@1.3GHz). The Intel Core i7-3840QM scores around 3,500 on a single core basis (@2.8Ghz). The TDP of A7 is 1.5-2W and the TDP of the core i7-3840QM is around 45W (but then people say that...
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