>>but easily beaten for any graphical intensive uses by a low end Athlon 750k and a HD 7750.
Why do people always say this? An Athlon x4 750/760k are nothing more than the very same APU's that people downplay, just with the iGPU shut off due to being defective. Yeah, the Athlons are a bit...
R&D budget? They're already only focusing on things that will actually get them some money, rather than wasting it on something like another big die successor to the PD-based Opterons.
Where did you get "semistagnant performance" from, lol? No one knows anything about Carrizo/Excavator's...
I wonder why people keep saying this. HSA requires potent CPU perf, it can't be universally replaced with small, weak cores like Jaguar across their product stack or anything. If they are to push HSA so hard and it takes off, I don't see why they would suddenly halt x86 big cores post-Excavator.
From what I recall, the engineering sample screenshot of a Kaveri chip said "diffused in dresden" I believe, which points to GloFo. I'll post a pic later when I get back home.
By nature Kaveri on 28nm Bulk won't clock as high as Piledriver via 32nm SOI. Top-end Kaveri is 3.7ghz base with 4.0ghz turbo. Not really a huge downgrade compared to Trinity (3.8ghz base and 4.2ghz turbo), but a decent gap compared to Richland (4.1ghz base, 4.4ghz turbo)
The thing I'm most...
Well Steamroller B was known about ever since at least late 2012/early 2013: Source
Even then, no one (outside of AMD themselves) have any idea what makes SR-B any different from the original SR. My guess is that SR-A was canceled -- it was the version that was gonna have up to three modules...
I think it's possible that Carrizo will be 20nm, but as usual AMD is at the mercy of GloFo and whether or not they screw up again. Not really sure why Kaveri got delayed in the first place (from Steamroller 1.0 to 2.0), but is it plausible that it was due to GloFo having issues with their nodes?
I don't wanna throw out any random percentages, but the jump of PD from BD was pretty marginal because it was some quick and easy fixes. SR was a much bigger change in the uarch than BD -> PD, so I'm pretty sure it'll be a big leap (for AMD). They need it, since it's 2013 and right now the best...
What are people really expecting from Kaveri? Do people honestly expect it to somehow be on par with Haswell? It'll be decently faster than Richland in both CPU/GPU and be the first APU with true HSA support (which is honestly the biggest deal about the processor.) Only people with ridiculous...
I wouldn't say that 2500k is out of date, far from it. Still a very capable chip, no real need to upgrade.
As for General Hardware...can't say I ever lurked or went there.
Indeed the roadmap was real. Carrizo = DDR3 and Socket FM2+ still. No idea on what Basilisk will be... My guess is slightly-enhanced Excavator cores with DDR4 support on FM3?
You cannot be serious. I've done "serious" browsing on craptops with horrible CPU's and still didn't have issues. So to say it would be "smoother" is completely moot if it's totally imperceptible.
I routinely have many tabs open at once on my AMD processor, guess I got a golden chip or something since Firefox never bogs down?
Lol, what a ridiculous statement.
I didn't 'fail' to comprehend what he originally meant at all. I knew what he meant when I made my post -- I was merely posting a small correction. YOU were the one who got your jimmies rustled for no good reason. Your original post literally wasn't even necessary. You just brought it up for the...
LOL what blunder? You're the only one getting upset over it. All I did was offer a correction, the fact BD, PD, SR, and EX are all "big cores" and they are in fact inside the current and upcoming APU's. Whether or not AMD will continue with big cores beyond Carrizo/Basilisk is unknown.
And you're being needlessly petty. I'm merely going by AMD's own definition. "Big core" doesn't necessarily mean "FX/Opteron". They're the same exact x86 cores used across the higher-end APU's, the FX, and the Opteron (of which the latter two share the same die anyway.)
How hard is it to...
Well I use simple logic to refute its "fakeness". What current info do we have that contradicts that slide?
*waits*
Yep. We know there won't be anything on AM3+ in 2014 since there are no new big-die Opterons coming besides "Warsaw", which is just basically Piledriver with RCM enabled. So if...
The only reason people kept screaming that it was fake is because they didn't wanna believe what they saw. "Oh noez!!1! no moar EFF ECKS??!! No DDR4 4 Kareezoh>??!! /wrists"
The Bulldozer and CMT concepts were in development for quite some time before the hexacore K8 dies even came out. CMT was being discussed before even the first Greyhound chips released. They went ahead and released Bulldozer to get it out the way, because they knew they had nothing left for K8...
Reports previously stated that the initial Kaveri launch would be three SKU's: Two A10's and one A8. We now know what the two A10's specs are, but know nothing of the A8.
Not to mention FX sells a lot less than AMD's APU's do in comparison. There's the quote from AMD themselves where they said FX accounted for 30% of processor shipments with APU's accounting for the other 70%. Since then it's probably even more lop-sided now.
Piledriver on 28nm wouldn't really be anything special, unless you were referring to Steamroller FX, which everyone would agree would be nice to have, though it won't be happening.
I remember old AMD projections from around 2002 or 2003, when they were mentioning a future architecture that would reach 10ghz base clock. I wish I had some of the stuff they were smoking at the time (to be fair, most of the other things mentioned in said projection list either panned out or...
Llano was originally supposed to hit clocks beyond 4ghz (which is what Trinity and Richland ended up doing instead), but due to GloFo yield and production issues (their 32nm transition at this point was crap), Llano wound up with the low/moderate clocks the final product had. I was also...
No, FM2 chips fit just fine into FM2+ boards, it's the inverse that wouldn't work. Kaveri has two additional pins on the package, which prevents it from fitting into FM2 sockets.
Dump broken Opterons to AM3+? How would that work? The FX series used the exact same dies from Opteron to begin with, the only difference being 3 of the 4 HT links being disabled.
This would've been terrible. The K8 uarch hit its wall (yes, what people refer to as K10 was really still K8 --...
The FX 9000 series were highly-priced initially because they weren't meant for enthusiast consumption at that time. AMD literally said that in a press release, that they would get released to retail officially later on. And the moment they did, the prices were much lower and they were available...
Carrizo is headed for Q1 2015, and even by then, DDR4 won't be that mainstream. We'll most likely see DDR4 as a part of Socket FM3, with the Excavator-based Basilisk APU instead.
That damage control. It's mostly based on technicalities and certain variables that can't truly be confirmed right now anyway.
Him saying FX isn't "EOL" is a somewhat-clever wordplay, because it's true -- they will keep producing and selling 32nm Vishera chips, but that doesn't mean there will...
Preliminary pre-order prices are usually always higher than they realistically will be. I remember seeing the pre-orders for Haswell i3 being $160 and the unlocked i5 being $250. Don't forget the 290x pre-pre-order prices.
Not to mention how can anyone forget the AMD rep hinting that Kaveri...
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