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  1. Question Should Intel or AMD break backward compatibility and do a clean x86-64 reboot?

    Corporations are the real issue, as i see it. People assume that there are newer binaries and newer versions that can do the same thing. This ignores the long and drawn out test beds to verify stability and fitness for the intended purpose. This also ignored corporations paid previously for...

  2. News Chinese fab banned from using US technology

    First, here is Newsweek discussing how even the US government does not recognize Taiwan as a country: https://www.newsweek.com/who-recognizes-taiwan-two-change-china-1460559 "After closing its missions in the Solomon Islands and Kiribati, Taiwan would be left with recognition from only 14 out...

  3. News Chinese fab banned from using US technology

    Wth are you talking about? Literally, why is it the US job to defend Taiwan from China. The United Nations DO NOT recognize Taiwan as its own country. China has the one China principle which allows Taiwan autonomy so long as they acknowledge China owns them. The US has respected the one China...

  4. News Chinese fab banned from using US technology

    There is an old saying: don't reinvent the wheel. China has not been trying to, in earnest, win on specifically mainstream CPUs and GPUs until recently. Why? Because the tech existed. You don't waste resources on something you do not have to. It was a couple years into the 2000s we started...

  5. News Chinese fab banned from using US technology

    It's not tech, it is customer base. TSMC owns their own process patents. In fact, if you were paying attention, you would have seen the patent fab fights with Intel, global foundries, etc. The US tech is NOT what the consideration was. It was losing Apple and AMD for only keeping Huawei. If...

  6. News Chinese fab banned from using US technology

    You've seen Intel is just so far ahead these days. They could never fall beh... what's that? TSMC passed them on process node tech years ago and AMD currently beats them in all categories? Well, x86 is going to stay on top. What's that? Apple's first attempt at ARM is rivaling x86 and even does...

  7. News Chinese fab banned from using US technology

    Maybe sooner. For example, Huawei is already testing 6G for telecom. Sure, we look to the sexier x86 market, and ARM, and even GPU companies. But people often forget the rise of risc-v, an open source architecture from Berkeley. They also don't seem to know about china's mandate that all...

  8. News Chinese fab banned from using US technology

    Funny you call them a parasite when Intel violated SMIC held patents filled in the US. What specifically are you referring to? Saying the US doesn't discriminate between lawful targets and warcrimes. Do you hear yourself? Although a truthful statement, it is not what you think you said. There...

  9. News Chinese fab banned from using US technology

    If the US commits an act of war that is not defensive in nature, NATO does not have to support the US. This was seen in Europe backing away after our assassination of the Iranian General, which violated international law and of which we ratified the document from the UN decades ago, meaning we...

  10. News Chinese fab banned from using US technology

    If the company is in the Netherlands and China takes TSMC, the largest pure play fab in the world, with almost all facilities in that island, ASML would cut off 33%+ revenue to do what you suggest. Why are you ignoring that? That is a declaration of war. Stop thinking we can win a war against...

  11. News Chinese fab banned from using US technology

    Global foundries, although no longer cutting edge, is a US foundry. ASML is a corporation with its HQ in Netherlands. It is not US tech. And if the US tried to sanction them for dealing with the Chinese, it would cripple the global semiconductor market. ASML can call their bluff. TSMC could have...

  12. Question Threadripper 1950x problem

    Ok, first do not run 96GB, please. So the 64GB at 3200 sets. Second, mixing and matching speed can effect timings, as each set may need different amounts to work as well as different voltages. Third, if stable at lower MHz, you may just have a weaker memory controller on one of the dies. You...

  13. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Also absurd. Intel cannot maintain their pricing structure moving forward, meaning there are hard realities coming to investors with their heads in the sand like you. For example, Milan will have 20% IPC uplift on integer. AVX512 workloads are less than 8% of workloads and AMD is potentially...

  14. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    You are a fool. Mercury research has had AMD at 14.5% of the x86 market in 2018 and 15.5% in 2019. They are making headway in OEMs. And Intel lost a large customer in losing Apple. Added together, you are wrong in the way you calculate market share AND in your estimate of what AMD needs to do...

  15. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Well, in light of this delay... https://www.anandtech.com/show/15926/intel-7nm-delayed-by-6-months-company-to-take-pragmatic-approach-in-using-3rd-party-fabs

  16. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Yeah, brain fart. My 1950X gets 9.9ns latency on L3. Misspoke.

  17. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    As pointed out by another poster, which I thank, I meant cycles, not nanoseconds. Chalk it up to a brain fart. Thank you for catching it and pointing it out. Sincerely. Now, generally you are right on cache, wanting L3 to be larger to catch as a victim cache before going off chip. L2 is...

  18. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    If you are going to mention size *laughs like a teenage boy for a second*, you need to also discuss latency. With the 16MB L3 currently, there is 40ns of latency. For the 32MB upcoming, it is 47ns latency. So it may be bigger, but it is also slower. Now, AMD can take it because of the chiplet...

  19. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    It comes from people's ... we'll go with imaginations. About the time that intel's road map dropped that no longer had rocket lake s on it, there were two digitimes articles saying zen 3 was pushed to 2021 and might even be on 5nm. People also couldn't understand the purpose of releasing the...

  20. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Not quite. So, usually designs made for smaller nodes are wider. The wider features help performance, but generate heat. The companies are using the efficiency in power consumption to lower heat with smaller nodes, thereby allowing the designs to work. If you bring the design to a larger...

  21. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    OK, normally this is where I'd inundate you with articles throughout the entire tech press, but I've gotten warnings whenever I do that and it is not from Anandtech, so I will try to make this easy for you to understand: 1) Intel deciding not to backport until 2019, while also not recognizing...

  22. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    And I can't help you if you ignore the edited part of my post, talking about wafers and discussing the use on consoles, which is 7nm. Then there is the contractual aspect of continuing to output zen 2 on servers. Then there is the GN part that they are pushing Intel out of product review...

  23. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    So, first, you say ignore listening to the corporation saying they dropped it to avoid confusion and assumptions, while using it where it makes sense, meaning that it may be used with specific products in their lineup. Does that mean the primary core chiplet? Likely not. But removing the...

  24. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    I disagree, to a degree, but generally agree with the sentiment. They won't have profits to continue on the cutting edge. It is much the same way GloFo dropped as soon as AMD went TSMC. They are doing great things regarding FDSOI transistors, which are not as sexy as the smallest node size...

  25. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    So you really don't pay attention to AMD news, do you? Here is an Anandtech article addressing the process from March: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15589/amd-clarifies-comments-on-7nm-7nm-for-future-products-euv-not-specified Notice, EUV was removed as a guarantee. More recently, people have...

  26. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Did anyone truly believe Intel's timeline on 7nm? Intel pushed 14nm due to delays. They pushed 10nm for years. And now, magically, they are supposed to have a working 7nm node on time? Intel, to their credit, did attempt COAG. But they did this without EUV being ready and without dummy gates...

  27. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    You misunderstand the purpose of the XT lineup, which more likely was to iron out process used for the upcoming Zen 3 chips while technically having something competing against comet at each price point. You ignore Intel's done that multiple times before. Look how people reacted to R0 stepping...

  28. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    The market is not stagnating. Literally, AMD is on a 14-16 month cadence since Zen. Zen2 was July. So September to November is clearly possible. Allegedly they already have B0 stepping, meaning they are ready to ramp for the inventory buildup. And now, a couple months before release, is when...

  29. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Apple was rumored two to three years ago to go to arm in 2020. Rumors are rumors. As I said, you have, at most, a single product line using that. You have zero proof of it extending beyond that. I mentioned it making sense for their workstation line to start using AMD HEDT, but that is...

  30. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    That, at most, stands for the proposition of a single product line, not a whole transfer over to a new supplier. I know that is splitting hairs, but look to Microsoft's surface for a similar example. This year, it wasn't great. Next year with Zen 2, it should really close the performance gap, to...

  31. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    This I do agree with. It is speculative until more information comes out. With that said, looking at their 28-core desktop Mac pro versus AMD's 3970X or the upcoming 64-core variant, Apple looking to AMD is logical, which I think is where a lot of speculation comes from. In mobile, Intel still...

  32. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    More interesting is the X86 and X86-64 and SSE2 patents expiring next year, meaning moving forward, Apple could create their own x86 chips, like China is doing. China's joint venture with Via is working on a 32-core chiplet design on 12/14nm node and a 7nm node 8-core CPU. Via was the third...

  33. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    And I'm not trying to teach securities regulation. Maybe we can go back to discussing what is required of a company, fiduciary duties of executives and directors, and requirements for compliance with securities laws. Or maybe reviewing contracts for sale of intellectual property. Your comment...

  34. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    What are you talking about? They sold the antenna division to Apple. That is a large sale of intellectual property. That money must be either distributed, used for stock buy backs, or spent within the company in some fashion. And it is also not unusual for a director or executive to purchase a...

  35. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Then why can you not accept his average IPC increase data? Seriously, you either believe his numbers are correct, which then you should accept his average IPC (which those graphs are but a slice of the average), or you don't, which then you are questioning his work and that also means you cannot...

  36. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    I'm not rehashing the IPC argument and how to test here. Last time I did, a mod split off the discussion into its own thread. Your argument on sufficiency of IPC testing this way belongs there, where Andrei and others chimed in and went into greater detail. Instead, what we have to work with is...

  37. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    Thank you for getting back with that response. Sorry for not recognizing that you were going off the road maps (that is all I needed to know and once I realized it, I looked them up and it matches your stated timeline). But, even under that timeline, Intel was late with ice lake. You are...

  38. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    It's because there are a multitude of variables that go into average IPC. For example, if you look at a task that is heavy floating point and utilizes AVX512, that will skew how you evaluate the IPC even if that is not representative of most consumer workloads. If you look at a pure integer...

  39. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    SPEC does mixed workloads, which can show separate integer and floating point, etc. This is why I pointed out above that the graphs don't always look like what the final average is. I'm the one that started the argument awhile back with Andrei on whether holding the memory to similar bandwidth...

  40. Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

    My initial analysis used 6-7% IPC. I later showed the reality was closer to 11-13%, depending on task, considering different versions of SPEC showed 15% and 17%. So you think that isn't enough of a sandbag to account for that in my original analysis?
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