Hopefully. But I think the economic part of Moore's law is dead. Performance and area scaling seems to be still happening. So unless you build a chip mixing and matching different process node, the cost savings won't be great even if you break up your giant chip into pieces.
That's the reason...
Why do you think MTL may be cheaper to manufacture? Using tiles would minimize the increase but it is not going to make it cheaper. At least, not for a while if ever.
AMD and NVidia have been maintaining custom profiles for different games as part of their GPU drivers for ages. Why do you think keeping a simple list of games in a chipset driver going to be an issue?
Will this still be the case in 2023? I'm genuinely curious. I have been hoping that AMD would take data center market share much faster than they have in the past. Granted, COVID screwed up the supply chain and AMD could not gain market share faster despite selling everything it made.
Going...
I don't think this is necessarily true in this case unless Intel price its offerings at a negative price. Operating costs for Intel servers may be too high for them to be competitive at any price that Intel wants to charge.
With that said, Intel still has a huge manufacturing capacity. So, if a...
What I'm wondering is whether AMD would ever make Zen4c/Zen5c + V-cache. I'd think that it would give a much higher density and efficiency compared to normal Zen4/Zen5, especially if they can use cache die using n-1 process node.
https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/10/03/the-steady-hand-guiding-amds-prudently-expanding-datacenter-business/
I’m not sure if I’m reading it correctly. Forrest Norrod says “And just to be clear, we are planning for doubling year-on-year over time.” in response to the question of why AMD is...
I don't know enough about the detailed breakdown of the cost involved in monolithic vs big chiplet vs small chiplet. Common sense tells me that there is always a sweet spot and it is never at an extreme. As I said earlier, I don't think anyone with a sane mind will build a single core chiplet...
Engineering is always a balancing act. Using technology for the sake of using it makes no sense. Large silicon interposer costs money, which is one of the reasons that MTL is rumored to be high end only (Can't seem to find the link at the moment). You won't necessarily reduce costs by breaking...
AMD knows how to use interposer to build chiplet/tile/whatever. It just does not make economical sense to use because they can build chips that perform just as well. cheaper without an interposer. SPL using EMIB does not perform as well as Genoa built without using silicon interposer/EMIB...
Not sure how you figured this.
SPR is not shipping till next year and will only match Milan, if that. All indications are pointing to Genoa shipping before SPR. In what way do you think SPR is ahead of Genoa? Both are 2023 products.
MTL is due out next year. AMD Phoenix is coming out 1H 23...
So, 6 month to set up. Producing chips takes about 6 month as well. ASML will need their time to manufacture the machines after Intel places the order. So, I expect that we will hear about Intel ramping up EUV machine purchase at least 2 years before they start shipping their 7nm products in...
It takes months to install EUV machines and get it operational. There is no way Intel will have enough EUV machines to produce their main products in volume in 2023. We will hear about Intel buying up EUV machines at least 1, if not 2 years before Intel can ship large volumes of 7nm products...
Google Announces AMD Milan-based Cloud Instances - Out with SMT vCPUs?
In light of this development, does anyone want to reconsider SMT4 speculation of future AMD micro-architecture? I have a feeling that, with the numbers of cores increasing exponentially and security issues related to SMT...
I heard that using EUV will cut the number of steps necessary to make chips, reducing the production time. That in turn, can increase throughput using the same number of machines. Once TSMC receives more EUV machines, deploying them on 7nm process may improve throughput. I'm not too familiar...
Or AMD will charge higher price to make more profit. No need to price their CPUs so low when Intel can't match it and there are high demand for all products from both Intel and AMD.
I'm sure those SKUs will eventually come to US retail. However, if AMD is really selling everything it's making, it makes sense to introduce the products to regions where they will compete better. Currently in US, high end (>$200) Ryzen processors are selling well. I'm sure China customers are...
3900X is now #2 selling CPU in amazon and still in stock!
https://smile.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Computer-CPU-Processors/zgbs/electronics/229189
In stock at amazon. But price is a bit higher at $570.
https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3900X-24-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SXMZLP9/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=ryzen+3900x&qid=1570048296&s=gateway&sr=8-1
Seems to be in stock at Best Buy for $500.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-12-core-3-8-ghz-desktop-processor/6356274.p?skuId=6356274
Edit: When I clicked on the add to cart button, it says it is not available. Oh well...
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I think you are saying that products should be priced based on their production cost. No. Products are priced based on the demand. when the demand is high, the seller has pricing power and can get high margin. Sure production cost of fully working 8 core die should...
My point was mostly about the pricing. 3800X is $400, $50 per core. 3900X is $500, $42 per core. Since 3900X is more premium part, they could have charged more per core. Because AMD was stuck in low price/low margin segment for so long, even when they have a vastly superior product, they could...
AMD left money on the table by pricing 3900X so low and not producing enough of them. I think AMD just underestimated the demand of high end CPUs in DYI market. I'm still in awe, looking at the fact that 9900K @ $500 is the best selling Intel CPU on Amazon. DIYers are drawn to higher end SKUs...
But keep in mind that 3900X chiplets use higher quality dies that must reach higher frequency at lower power. So, though I agree some what about the idea you are presenting (AMD may have underestimated the demand for their high end parts), it could also be that AMD is just having hard time...
Here is my thoughts on TSMC capacity.
It was not long ago people were fearing weak demand. Late last year, it was reported that the demand for 7nm was weak.
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/281816-tsmcs-7nm-node-sup...
Then a few companies took the opportunity to increase their order...
All the new Zen 2 based products are priced above $200. So, it will be a while before AMD starts to sell their Zen 2 based products in real high volume. Also, less than half of the silicon that goes into Zen 2 based desktop processor is 7nm. If TSMC was able to supply Apple with their 7nm chips...
AMD should not have mentioned that they may enable PCIe4 in older platform at all. It just confused people.
I guess they are new to milking their customers. They should stop over-delivering to customers who already paid...
Not sure whether you are serious or not. You are getting better performance than Intel 12 core CPU at $1100 for less than half the price. Premium products will command premium price whether it's from AMD, Intel or NVidia.
This one is more significant because both CPU and GPU are from AMD. During the Opteron days, AMD did not have GPU.
It seems providing both CPU and GPU is a significant advantage. When Intel Aurora was announced earlier this year, I was really surprised that Intel's GPU was part of the deal. But...
I have GigaByte AB350M-D3H (rev. 1.0) and I have to disable Global C state control in BIOS. Otherwise, it would randomly lock up when I leave it on over night. I have RMAed my 1800X due to segfault problem so I know that my CPU is a good one in terms of segfault problem that plagued early Ryzen...
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