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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    Pretty much every relevant player in datacenter is using VMs now, so it's a trivial matter of just setting the VM size so that it fits nicely in 8 core units. In servers, the predominant programming paradigm is multiple instances of single or low-threaded applications, so there will be no...
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    You can look up the numbers yourself. Every claim I have ever made in this thread is backed by hard facts, usually posted just pages ago. I can't help you if you just want to stick your head in the sand. Cost determines the lower bound of price, and based on superior MCM scaling, we can...
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    It's really simple. Intel spends so much time planning a hugeass monolithic die, gets shit yields due to all the wafer defects, and when it comes out, it is what it is. Meanwhile, AMD can cheaply produce 8-core dies with high yield, due to the much lower area, then connect them into an N+1 core...
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    The thing about Intel's "response" with the "rushed" Skylake-X is that it's only possible because Intel has been sitting on SKL-SP for almost a year (anti-competitive agreement with Facebook to hold back the market!). Sure, with 12 cores, it might be able to outperform AMD R7 (won't be cheap)...
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    Intel is definitely scared of Zen and Naples, but SKL-X and CFL have nothing to do with it, since they aren't targeting the datacenter market. The problem for Intel is that they already launched SKL-SP last year and they have nothing left they can bring out until Ice Lake in 2019 or later...
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    Instead of shooting the messenger, why not refute my facts if you think they are incorrect? The numbers were posted just two pages ago by Markfw. It's not like any of this is based on speculation - you can rent a Skylake server today and discover the IPC for yourself! Look, I understand where...
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    . Calling enthusiasts, "fanboys", is not allowed. esquared Anandtech Forum Director
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    If you have 3.5 billion clock ticks per second per core and 8 cores, how many clock ticks per second were there? 28 billion per second. What is a hertz? 1/second. What is 28 billion per second? 28 GHz. What is IPC? Instructions per clock tick. If CPU A does the same work in 28 billion clock...
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    E5-2683v3: 14x 2.5 GHz = 35 GHz R7 1700X: 8x 3.5 GHz = 28 GHz Since these chips have the same performance, let's put to rest the myth of Intel IPC superiority. In fact, this is proof that Ryzen's IPC is 25% better than Haswell, since it's getting the same performance with only 80% of the clocks.
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    AVX-512 is not even going to be a story, since Intel is playing their segmentation game again and keeping it for only the highest Platinum bins. Just another example of bait and switch, and all the more reason AMD is going to destroy them with Naples. With all these bazillion SKUs, each with...
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    Forget used cars, Intel is going to charge enough to buy a brand new car, plus taxes. TweakTown: Intel's new Xeon rocks 28C/56T, costs over $12,000. Naples with 16 cores and even 32 for cheap will destroy Intel market share. R7-1700 is currently selling for $320, and with AMD's innovative fabric...
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    Who's buying Skylake-X? (You may now change your vote)

    Intel's marketing has never been the clearest, but the way it's going to work is that Intel's going to keep the real Skylake features for their premium HCC(XCC) SKUs, which are Platinum and the bigger Gold SKUs. However, us common folk are going to get hit with gimped-to-hell LCC-derived chips...
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    Who's buying Skylake-X? (You may now change your vote)

    It will "have" AVX-512 deceptively. Intel will put it on the marketing slides, but the execution units will be 256-bit wide unless you fork out $$$ for the "Platinum" tier!
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    Who's buying Skylake-X? (You may now change your vote)

    Exactly. What were the benefits of Skylake-SP supposed to be? - double throughput because of AVX-512 - 50% more bandwidth because of 6-channel memory What do Skylake-X and LCC/MCC Skylake-SP not have? - AVX-512 - 6-channel memory Might as well just buy Ryzen 16C/32T and get way more cores...
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    Who's buying Skylake-X? (You may now change your vote)

    I won't support gimped CPUs. It doesn't matter to me if Ryzen is faster or not; I want to support honest business practices, not this artificially handicapped s*** from Intel. Ethical business practices are worth so much more than 1-2 fps in some games.
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    Who's buying Skylake-X? (You may now change your vote)

    Skylake-X is going to be another gimped release from Intel. No hex-channel memory, no AVX-512, etc. Buy Ryzen.
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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    Rumors are Skylake-SP will only feature AVX-512 on large dies (Xeon "Platinum"). The other SKUs will have AVX-512 at half-speed (one per cycle vs two AVX-256), just like AVX on Ryzen. Intel market segmentation is just getting worse each generation. I hope AMD competition forces them out of the...
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    Ryzen's halved 256bit AVX2 throughput

    I do not know what "rendering" means in this thread, but many DSP and HPC software are already using AVX. The FFTW library is a common building block in all manner of audio and video DSP, and it has supported AVX+FMA for the longest time. Anyone that has run prime95 (FFT) knows how important...
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