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    Techpowerup：Intel Says AMD EPYC Processors "Glued-together" in Official Slide Deck

    Like (L3+L4) on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_z14_(microprocessor) :)
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    Techpowerup：Intel Says AMD EPYC Processors "Glued-together" in Official Slide Deck

    Thing is that the juiciest profits come from the high-end processors = Platinum Xeons. If AMD would have been attacked only the low end part, Intel would have been able to just lower the prices in that segment and balance the overall profit elsewhere. Now the problem Intel faces is that they...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Hehe, maybe Dell has bad conscience about the Intel bribery decade ago...or they like to give some punch back to Intel or...What the reason really is, it's funny to see Dell as one of the early adopters because they were probably the most Intel bribed/forced OEM manufacturer in the Intel vs. AMD...
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    Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

    Wtf are you talking about? No one gives rats ass if something is just 5% faster than 2yr old product or if the new product is not xx% faster than the competitor or if the competitor has had nearly similar product over a year. Consumer logic is just price/performance ratio. Basic GPU features are...
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    Vega/Navi Rumors (Updated)

    Hard to understand the whole game streaming concept. You still need the actual computer: processor, some gpu, decent display, keyboard, mouse and ofc good network connection (25Mbps with Geforce Now). If you want to enjoy the highest details like these services like to advertise, you need to pay...
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    AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

    Yes, something weird going on with MSI's mortar. Now running with 1.1 bios which allows 3000MHz memory (1.2 and 1.3 worked with 3200MHz :( ) but at least I can OC the processor fine. Still if I try to do all OC on bios, memory speed will usually be defaulted after reboot to 2133MHz...but CPU OC...
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    AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

    Same result when using Linux. Seems that it was MSI's BIOS problem: A.20 bios and the newest A.30 caused this but when rolling back to A.10 the full speed came available on OS. Very strange, never seen this kind of problem, way to go MSI. :( On the other hand memory support is very good, 3200MHz...
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    AMD RYZEN Builders Thread

    Hello, Finally got my 1700 but right at the start faced very strange problem. CPU-Z shows that core speed is only ~1550MHz. I have tried without overclocking, without any power saving options, no Cool&Quiet or any other extra CPU features. Bios shows that memory is running 3200MHz and also...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    He kept up pretty long though. :) Should have something more than rusty old knife when starting a war. :)
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Of course I would like to have that. Point is that 3200MHz is already way more than the current DDR4 standard frequencies suggest. I have understood that all the chips are anyway based on trimmed 2133/2400 sticks. I'm just afraid that if the very high-end 3600MHz+ sticks works only...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    But but, where is the fun after that? This thread for example would have only one page if even that. :)
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    I don't think it's anywhre realistic. Remember that the official supported i7700K memory speed is still only 2400MHz. OC market is so small that there are sadly no point of putting big effort for satisfying the super enthusiasts' 0.01%.
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    @Elmor: "An early version of the May update looks very good. Most DRAM sticks are now able to reach 3200. But please be patient, every time someone asks for an ETA I will delay the release by one day " http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread/8620#post_26007300
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Easiest question here so far. :) Definitely Ryzen and the more cores the better. If you're fine with some overclocking the best bang for the buck is R7 1700.
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Per thread based licensing is definitely from the harsh side of the pool. You could also have fixed, socket, core, user, named user, memory, connections etc. based license metrics. Thread and core licensing favor Intel's slightly faster IPC but even in those cases we need to see first how well...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Also been there, but you wrote it better. :) So much we would like believe otherwise, sadly we consumer PC builders are only a tiny player in this chessboard. The thing is that where the big crucial masses comes from are big contracts with IT providers, resellers, OEM manufacturers etc. In here...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    I think one reason why there haven't been any price drops is that they have enough assets to pretend that everything is ok. If Intel would drop their prices now that would be a significant indication that they're worried which is something Intel would avoid at all cost. I'm looking this from IT...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Point with my original "obsolete" post was that the current Intel's HEDT repetoire has to be changed. AMD has raised the bar so much that Intel have to bring their high-end server Xeon cores to HEDT lineup or they just cannot justify the current HEDT prices anymore. Your example unfortunately...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Indeed. AMD will have a total upper hand regarding the GPU knowledge when introducing the new Ryzen+Vega APUs later this year. They will be 4c/8t probably because of space constraints on the die. More interesting thing is how AMD's Infinity Fabric will be used between CPU+GPU and what kind of...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Wow, did Intel just get totally raped? Their whole HEDT line went obsolete in one day after R7 and to underline it there are already rumours that AMD is going to introduce +8core systems for professional desktop usage. Now R5 just cleaning the floor in the middle segment. Currently it seems that...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Nice results and especially good when they come directly from Sisoftware. This is very good news to AMD as the server market brings more profit to the table. Also the two channel memory limit will probably disappear when AMD announces their actual server hardware which will in current knowledge...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    And comparing this with the information of R5 1400 benchmark (http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/amd-ryzen-5-1400-gets-first-gaming-video-comparison-intel-core-i5/) it seems that R5 is pretty much living up the expectations. Having 1400 performance with only 169$ brings nearly blissful tear to...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Car analogies ftw. :) And when you compare Intel 4c desktop processors with something else than gaming load, Ryzen is like a truck compared to a car. Maybe the parcel don't move that fast but the amount of goods moved at the same time matters. :)
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    First R5 review available. Not sure if true but seems legit: http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/amd-ryzen-5-1400-gets-first-gaming-video-comparison-intel-core-i5/ Note the actual CPU% which is way lower than i5-7400 all the time. If this is true, AMD is going to hit very hard on the...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Very enlightening video. Explains lots of things and lolfail9001 got more gas in his fire to continue his crusade. :) Also shows how rotten the game is behind the curtains. Intel has kept the 4c limit for a decade soon, which opened the room for Nvidia to exploiting it. With all the extra money...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Maybe there will be even more. Both Ryzen and Vega will use the new Infinity Fabric in their internal communications. Moreover server two socket Naples processors will use Inifinity Fabric communication between sockets. Also AMD Ryzen/Vega APUs will most probably rely on this intercommunication...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Jeez, this replying is starting to take time... :) 1. Windows share is declining and will decline. Windows server is generally lost the battle in its territory. On workstations and desktops windows will be for a some while, but as more and more services are going to cloud the relevance of used...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Good points but even with that reasoning I'm not convinced that Vulkan would stay in minority in the future. Scorpio is one console yes, it can help Microsoft gain back its somewhat lame share (24mil vs PS4 50mil) of the current console war...or not. Also PS4 seems to get more and more pretty...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Hope the Vulkan API will flourish as there would be one less reason to rely on Microsoft. Also not sure what do you mean by "90% desktops use Windows". Vulkan runs on Windows as it runs on many other OSes. Vulkan support is spreading all the time, not only the two default non-DX houses you...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    True, but as tamz_msc mentioned new version of AIDA shows different results. Also double sized L2 comparing Intel gives AMD some advantage. However, the biggest drawback with Zen is its CCX specific L3 cache as only 8MB can be used per CCX. If one core would need the whole cache, it would be...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    H.264 will be relevant for many years to come, but you're right that H.265 is slowly taking more role in this area. Also the question is always about the money, what you get per buck. Intel's HEDT line is suddenly now way too expensive thanks to AMD. Also not sure how much the full AVX2 is...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    To the ones you are saying that there are minimal Intel game optimizations on the market quote from Oxide: "For basically 5 years”, I was told, Oxide and other developers have dedicated their time to “instruction traces and analysis to maximize Intel performance” which helps to eliminate poor...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Performance segments Intel has created to maximize their profits. Ryzen is showing that you can have both. You can have R5/R3 or the upcoming x399 16/12c processors but you could very well sit in the middle with R7. AMD is mixing the pot and in a very good way from consumer perspective.There is...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Finally someone else here also addresses the Ryzen's position in server market. Breaking in takes some time sure, but power consumption is one of the major cost factors in data centers around the globe. Not only you need to distribute that energy, but you have to cool it down too. Having...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Maybe already an "old" review of Ryzen Linux benchmarks: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-1800x-linux&num=1 As globally more and more workload is running on Linux, this is again good news for Ryzen. Can't wait to see Naples in action. :)
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Quite persistent fella. Thing is, what has been said many times, who cares? I'm buying my processor for future use and all the tests so far have been more than good from Ryzen's perspective. If you have found some bumps in lower level performance metrics like draw calls it seems not to affect...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    The point is that with Ryzen it seems that Intel's HEDT/gaming CPU segmentation has been artificial/money making strategy. Ryzen shows that you can have 8core processor which performs extremely well in both segments...and with around same price than the cheaper 7700k. As I said before, Intel...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    True. However, 6900k and 7700k are from different product lines but only because Intel say so and have made us to believe that it has to be like that. The reason is of course that they can get premium from HEDT line what they wouldn't be able to do by introducing the same features to the...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    The coolest thing still here is that AMD's 8core processor beats Intel's 4core processor which is their fastest processor targeting gaming sector...and at the same time this very same processor gives the Intel's flagship 8core HEDT 6950k hard time being very close beating it with about third of...
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    Official AMD Ryzen Benchmarks, Reviews, Prices, and Discussion

    Darn, I always forget this overclocking aspect. However, majority of professional HEDT users won't waste time to do any handmade overclocking but uses the included stock and turbo speeds. From that perspective Intel's and AMD's clock speeds are not much apart each other. Tbh, it's the same...
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