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    Discussion Poll: Yes/No Full IGP version of mobile Ryzen 5 4600H?

    One of the problems is, that OEMs sell the names/specs (like 'i7', '512GB', 'MX150', '16mm thin'), not performance. So for most users 4600G and 4600GH and even 4600U at 10W would seem about the same, because boost clocks are similar, and thread count is the same. Laptop market is a 'lemon...
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    Discussion Poll: Yes/No Full IGP version of mobile Ryzen 5 4600H?

    I voted Yes. This is exactly what would be perfect for a machine I want: a cheap ultraportable (so-sub1,5kg) that is capable of light gaming, where I do not have to pay with money or weight for dGPU. Judging from current data of how Renoir boosts- ~30-35W (sustained power) would be best, because...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    Amazon does not give games- but Sapphire Vega 56 Pulse is available for the same £299 (but with game bundle) at Overclockers.uk
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    If a person does not care about picking up a game bundle that retails for €150-180- so can probably be resold for €70-90- then that 1€/month increase in power bill is the least of his worries.
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    Sorry, but I find you fighting strawmen, and soul searching more, than thinking or arguing logically in your posts. But regarding the Polaris30: Here is some very interesting undervolting info. They say, the aim was to drop the voltage while keeping the the clocks the same...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    Not sure why you say that. At least in/around Germany, also in UK- AMD cards are much better deal. For example: cheapest RX580 8 GB is €199 with 2 AAA games, cheapest GTX1060 6GB- €225 and no games, and RX590 Fatboy- is higher quality card, also faster, costs €259 and comes with 3 highest grade...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    Well, where I live- I have to set heating to keep at least 18C for ~5-6 months of the year. So 50-100W extra from a graphic card will not spoil my life, winter or summer. It will actually reduce my gas bill by a few euros. And this topic is about RX580, which is a 175W TDP card, so examples of...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    I'm sorry, I don't get the message. Very confuzing to read about power efficiency being important. For whom? I understand it is important for the maker of GPUs and cards, because then you can make faster cards in absolute terms before reaching 300W+, which is hard to cool and can cause...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    Well, AMD are competing with themselves in value- nVidia GTX1060 is not competitive when compared to same performance but lower price RX570/580 (+2 great games, + Freesync), or higher performance, similar price RX590, Vega56 (+3 great games and Freesync). And, AMD have sold ~100M worth of GPU...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    Here is one review (autotranslated): https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&u=https://www.hkepc.com/17452/ NDA ends in 15 min from now, at 9AM EST
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    When saying RX590 is $280, the same sentence should include the fact that for that price it comes with 3 games. Game bundles are usually not worth much, but it is impossible to discard the value this time- Devil May Cry 5, The Division 2, and Resident Evil 2 are all top games, unreleased...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    That is not a very good advice- buying when you need it, not looking at the market or tech situation can get you a product that has been on the market for several years, and is about be be replaced by cheaper or better next generation. I usually advise in a bit different way: buy good product...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    Even if they do come out at high prices (as a novelty item)- there is no reason for manufacturers to price them high- with all the board/cooler being the same. So, it should drop to prices similar to same cooler based Polaris20 level soon enough (with maybe a €20 extra, which is about equal to...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    I'd say it's Pitcairn2. That one had a rebrand from R9 270X to R9 370 3.5 years after the first release of the die. Polaris is younger, only 2.5 years old at this point.
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    Maybe, to reliably get 9Gbps, it would require a better quality PCBs with different design/components- and AMD partners would rather not spend time and money on it, and instead- just milk current designs and offer better prices?
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    https://videocardz.com/78786/palit-launches-geforce-gtx-1060-gamingpro-oc-with-gddr5x-memory Says GP104. But the article still mentions they'd be happy to confirm it is GP104 themselves.
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    Current info is that GTX 1060 GDDR5x will run it's memory at 8.8Gbps, so about the same clocks as GDDR5 version. That is why I wrote, that if nVidia wants to compete vs RX590, they need either a new chip, or a GP104 that is not cut down as much. As for the reason why we see GTX 1060 GDDR5x at...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    Ryzen 2000 series are the same design as Ryzen 1000, the difference is 12nm and firmware. Polaris30 is no different. As for affecting the landscape- for competing GPUs, whovever is 1% faster is the winner. AMD was already becoming a winner with the RX580 in early 2017, only miners deleted the...
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    AMD Q3 Earnings

    Yes, it will be interesting. AMD are saying they are going to keep about the same ASP while clearing the channel. Also, I believe mining is still profitable for those who invested, so no real flood of used GPU should be incoming to disrupt new sales. And, there is an abundance of these new GPUs...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    That would be quite strange. The way I understand it, it would cost a lot to port Polaris to TSMC.So if investing large sums- it would not make much sense to release Polaris, but an upgraded architecture instead. Also, add WSA fees. In contrast, 12nm at GloFo should be painless, cost very...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    But are 7nm prices really that high? For one thing- Apple's chip is ~83mm2, and is estimated to cost $72 to produce. Ryzen chip would be bigger, but also, Apple probably does not do much binning. Another point of reference- AMD were estimating 2x cost to produce a 200mm2 chip on 7nm, compared to...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    You are only assuming AMD's lead in 7nm in consumer products. But their CFO revealed that new generation of consumer graphics chips in 2019 will come last, after Vega 7nm, Epyc 7nm, and then Ryzen 7nm. So, probably in the second half of next year. However, nVidia was also mentioned as one of the...
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    For laptops, AMD have promised to release a discreet Vega for mobile this year. With HBM2, it should be quite power efficient, although if nVidia releases midrange/laptop chips on 7nm and with GDDR6 (they are an early 7nm client of TSMC)- that should be better.
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    New AMD Polaris based GPU

    The way I see it- for Polaris to use GDDR6 and not GDDR5 would require a redesign of the chip. If that is done- it may as be done with Vega architecture, which clocks much higher; which could then be done on 12nm 7.5 libraries to improve it further. etc. But we hear the talk of it being Polaris...
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    Nvidia ,Rtx2080ti,2080,2070, information thread. Reviews and prices September 14.

    This shader performance increase must be from INT32 shading, like Jensen says here: https://youtu.be/CT2o_FpNM4g?t=794 Nice to see some games already benefiting from it.
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    Nvidia ,Rtx2080ti,2080,2070, information thread. Reviews and prices September 14.

    But would that count into TDP? Those 30W will not be creating any work or heat- only passing through. So the cards should have TDP as their own heat output, only have bigger power inputs, designed to receive 30W extra for VirtualLink .
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    Nvidia ,Rtx2080ti,2080,2070, information thread. Reviews and prices September 14.

    AdoredTV was probably wrong at this. He thought 2080Ti and 2080 will be one die (we already know it is not), and 2060 with 2070 to be another die. Instead, it seems to be the usual: Tu102 will be used for Quadro, Titan and RTX 2080Ti, Tu104- for RTX2080 and RTX2070, and Tu106- for variants of...
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    GeForce GTX 1180, 1170 and 1160 coming in August. Prices inside

    This Toms article, and TechPowerup database, list 2x smaller SMs for the biggest die, but I'm not sure where they got their info from. I've also seen some slides mentioning the same specs- but did not watch nVidia's Siggraph, so have no clue if those are official.
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    GeForce GTX 1180, 1170 and 1160 coming in August. Prices inside

    I did not watch the nVidia Siggraph, so I'm not sure about that info that RTX8000 die is to have 72 SMs (with 64 cuda cores each). Was that official? If so- and RTX5000 has different core arrangement (24SMs x 128 cuda cores)- then this arrangement probably less place than one on the big die...
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    GeForce GTX 1180, 1170 and 1160 coming in August. Prices inside

    Amount of RAM is believable, but performance is not. It is a midrange product, so price must be reasonable- and 5GB is cheaper than 6GB and will perform the same at 1080p. 5GB also means 160-bit bus, which when using cheaper GDDR6 12Gbps will provide 240GB/s bandwidth.So we get perfect scaling...
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    GeForce GTX 1180, 1170 and 1160 coming in August. Prices inside

    That looks to be fake, and WCCF will post things like that to generate clicks.
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    GeForce GTX 1180, 1170 and 1160 coming in August. Prices inside

    No need to upgrade if your monitor is 4K, but do upgrade if that 2080Ti will be used at lower resolution.
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    GeForce GTX 1180, 1170 and 1160 coming in August. Prices inside

    That is expected- the chips are huge, even the smaller TU104 that is used in 2080. AMD will be fine in comparisson in efficiency, and chip size, as long as they release their 7nm sooner than later.
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    GeForce GTX 1180, 1170 and 1160 coming in August. Prices inside

    Not really- WhyCry (Videocardz) tweeted these same IDs, with correct cuda core count (2944 and 4352) two weeks before Sigraph. And AdoreTV released a video about the 2944CC card, with some pieces of slides (probably from a different leaker) on 10th of August.
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    GeForce GTX 1180, 1170 and 1160 coming in August. Prices inside

    Videocardz have proper leaks of both 256bit 2080, and 352bit 2080Ti (in addition to the Titan) device IDs. It looks, both are coming at the same time, even if it is hard for me to believe that nVidia is about to sell 754 mm2 gpu to gamers.
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    windows 7 --> no directx 12 --> worse gaming experience?

    There is generally little benefit to run DX12. Some games may run tiny bit better on it- but some will run worse. Also, Win10 is a stable OS, but MS is getting more and more intrusive, and UI is worse- so there are benefits, but there are also serious detriments.
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    AMD launches Ryzen Mobile 7 2700U & 5 2500U with Vega Graphics

    2200G can run it's CPU and GPU at full clocks (3.75GHz CPU, 1100MHz iGPU) from it's 65W TDP, while 2500U-2700U at 25W can only run CPU or GPU, at almost full clocks; or at significantly lower clocks if both CPU and GPU are loaded (~2.5GHz CPU, ~750MHz iGPU). Much lower if it is configured for...
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    GeForce GTX 1180, 1170 and 1160 coming in August. Prices inside

    First proof that 180W TDP and 352 bit bus was WCCF fantasy. The new board comes with 6+8 pin power, and 8 memory chips for 256 bit bus: https://videocardz.com/76953/nvidia-geforce-gtx-2080-1180-pcb-has-been-leaked#disqus_thread As expected- power use (and most likely, SM number) similar to...
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    GeForce GTX 1180, 1170 and 1160 coming in August. Prices inside

    I think WCCF got some rumors about pricing, but probably invented everything else- like power consumption numbers, memory bus, etc. It would be interesting if someone could show how exactly could such cards be built and make sense. For example: if the memory bus is 352 bit, does that mean...
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    The new AMD Picasso APU appears in the UserBenchmark database

    Another weak point is no LPDDR4 support. If Picasso is just 1-1 shrink- then no LPDDR4, and no premium 12-25W AMD portables. But if the die is redesigned- LPDDR4 support could possibly be added (LPDDR4 supporting memory controller was planned for Banded Kestrel for mid-2018 time frame).
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