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  1. J

    Question Incredible Apple M4 benchmarks...

    Thanks. Apparently, people have different interpretations of the results.
  2. J

    Question Incredible Apple M4 benchmarks...

    Where are these SPEC results?
  3. J

    Question Incredible Apple M4 benchmarks...

    I may be mistaken, but IIRC Apple license said that one must not embed the game porting toolkit in a product, and/or that the toolkit was for development only. But the terms may have changed.
  4. J

    Question Incredible Apple M4 benchmarks...

    They also apparently got permission to include Apple's game porting toolkit in CrossOver, despite licensing terms suggesting this should not be allowed.
  5. J

    Question Incredible Apple M4 benchmarks...

    Any evidence for that? D3DMetal is closed source.
  6. J

    Question Incredible Apple M4 benchmarks...

    Good for them of course. I'm not exactly American nor am I in the "greed is good" camp.
  7. J

    Question Incredible Apple M4 benchmarks...

    They are worth trillions precisely because they take good decisions. What's in for Apple? Would increased sales cover the costs? That's far from certain.
  8. J

    Question Incredible Apple M4 benchmarks...

    You speak as if Apple just had to give a permission. But they would have to develop, maintain and support Windows drivers for MX SoCs, including GPUs and all... all that for a low percentage of users who would still be unhappy with the performance due to translation of X86 code.
  9. J

    Question Incredible Apple M4 benchmarks...

    M4 can detect objections faster, and reject arguments that its scores are biased. Impressive.
  10. J

    Question Incredible Apple M4 benchmarks...

    Sorry for being lazy to check myself, but the M4 isn't faster than the intel GPU in other tests? EDIT: it apparently is.
  11. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Well in that case you probably wouldn't have 1600 nits peak brightness and 2500 independent dimming zones. Tradeoffs are a thing.
  12. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I'm not "defending this". This screen would be better with a lower response time. I'm responding to the comment that this screen is "atrocious" and that Apple should never charge this amount of money for because of this screen. That's different. If you just said that this screen had poor...
  13. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Not everyone is a gamer you now. Some users value color accuracy, contrast, and peak brightness more than response time. But you certainly know better than content creators who use these machines.
  14. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Ridiculous. So because Apple demoes Tomb Raider during a presentation, they should put gaming screens in their content-creation laptops? You're funny.
  15. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    ... not necessarily. Some may use it outdoors (film sets in particular).
  16. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    No they don't. Show me where Apple has presented the MacBook Pro as a gaming laptop. That it can run games (like any computer) doesn't make it a gaming laptop. Now that is relevant since MacBook Pros aren't gaming laptops. Most users would disagree.
  17. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    The response time of this screen is totally acceptable in every application that is not a fast-paced game. This is a very high-quality screen overall.
  18. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    This isn’t a gaming laptop. That screen can sustain 1000 nits and has thousands of dimming zones. When it was introduced, nothing compared to it.
  19. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    We need to look at the larger picture. Were sales particularly high for the same quarter last year? What is the overall trend? I believe that the Apple Silicon Macs have been quite successful. Many users have switched from intel and see no reason to upgrade. My M1-Pro MacBook Pro will last many...
  20. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Apple SoCs don't have such feature, AFAIK.
  21. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Apple SoCs can't be overclocked so I don't think operating temperature is much relevant to a single-threaded short test.
  22. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    What an odd comparison. The M3 is designed to go in ultrabooks and iPads. That it also powers regular laptops and iMacs doesn't mean it's relevant to compare it with desktop gaming CPUs. Also, I doubt the M3 will go into Mac Studios. Finally, are we now comparing the price of whole systems (DIY...
  23. J

    Question Qualcomm's first Nuvia based SoC - Hamoa

    Whatever that sentence means, I don't think it will age well.
  24. J

    Question Qualcomm's first Nuvia based SoC - Hamoa

    Why? A17 is close to the best performers in single thread tasks while being a mobile chip.
  25. J

    Question Qualcomm's first Nuvia based SoC - Hamoa

    The slide I'm referring to specifically says "M2".
  26. J

    Question Qualcomm's first Nuvia based SoC - Hamoa

    This chip has 50% better performance than an M2 in multi-threaded tasks, according to the slide. Didn't they mean M2 Pro/Max? Because if their chip scores 3227 in Geekbench single-core and have 12 performance cores, I would expect it to be much more than 50% faster than an M2, which has only 4...
  27. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I don't think that's necessary to cool a CPU consuming 10W.
  28. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    The CPU everyone has noticed on this chart is not the one that the poster pointed out. There, huh, a phone CPU in there. :smirk:
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Performance under emulation will be degraded. Apple compared the performance of their D3DMetal translator (game porting toolkit) to a native version of "The Medium" (which doesn't appear to be well optimized). The native version performed with doubled frame rate. The fact that the A17 beats the...
  30. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    256 GB is fine for a base model. Not everyone stores videos.
  31. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I think it's based on Apple's own powermetrics command. Andrei F. compared its output to power measured at the wall on the laptops and found consistent results IIRC (i.e., wall power being slightly higher in most cases).
  32. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    It is not common for an app, game or such, to use a GPU at its max rated power. Furmark is famous for maxing GPU power. Most other apps don't. 84 W consumed by a GPU that can draw 110 W max is already quite high. It's the same for CPU power BTW. Primer95 uses much more power than most other...
  33. J

    Question Alder Lake - Official Thread

    The M1 Pro draws more like 30-35W in cinebench MT (as reported by some reliable macrumors posters). Anandtech reports 34W package power (ram included I suppose). 40W is AC active power. (And not to mention that cinebench isn't well optimised for ARM. It uses a translation layer for intel's...
  34. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    There must be a bug somewhere with handbrake or video toolbox on the M1 Pro. Maybe it fell back to software encoding. As expected, performance in games was poor when they used Rosetta games and CPU-bound situations. CS:GO is an openGL game, which adds further CPU overhead for the translation...
  35. J

    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    None that comes to mind. I would not use X264/X265 as it contains X86 assembly optimisation that probably have no equivalent in the ARM build. It's better to combine an array of different algorithms that are specifically coded for cross-platform comparisons. I would have recommended geekbench...
  36. J

    Discussion PES | Assessing Power and Performance Efficiency of x86 CPU architectures

    I question the use of cinebench for this analysis. It's a single task which is based on intel Embree ray tracing API. It is speculated that this API does not take full advantage of ARM Neon SIMD units.
  37. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    So do intel, judging from their recent ad campaign against Macs.
  38. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Interesting. Is it based on these numbers?
  39. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    For Sleeping Dogs, to be specific. I think this is an openGL game. But even then, being faster under emulation is crazy. I suppose there's a bug somewhere that reduces frame rate and saturate one CPU core. See how performance doesn't change much going from 16 to 32 GPU cores.
  40. J

    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    The performance of this APU kinda explains the noise. On SPEC tests, the CPU cores are 4-6x more power efficient than what the current market leader has to offer. GPU-wise, the M1 Max may be at least 2x more power efficient that competing solutions, when using native 3D apps that take advantage...
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