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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    It wasn’t a specific claim, more just figures spit out to make the point.
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I would be happy to see new high end Macs this year, but I’m afraid we disagree. the buzz concerning 2025 high-end Macs continues to grow with no countervailing information that I have seen. Macrumors just today reported on a Digitimes article corroborating the 2025 Apple Silicon plans. That...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    It is will be an ugly reality that turns hardware into a subscription service. As new algorithms create breakthroughs that tempt people to adopt AI capabilities, they will more frequently confront desiring actions their current recently bought hardware can’t handle. Like Apple Intelligence...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I agree with you on what would be a normal release schedule and why it has been abnormal conditions. I just question whether it is time to go all Gelsinger and declare that the abnormal is now in our rear view mirror. I still think there are signs that the big dogs aren’t coming until next...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Where’s any indication that the M5 is coming in 2025? I would agree that it is unlikely that higher-end M4 and the base M5 would show up in the same timeframe. Gurman, though has been reasonably reliable about product releases. I think his claims about the Mac Studio releases in H2 2025 are more...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    AI is never going away. It, in fact will be the only way the overwhelming majority of people will use compute. There is not much qualitative that can be done on current devices and Qualcomm doesn’t yet have the software stack to even reach current hardware potential. Current Snapdragons will be...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    There are people doing that. Someone posted his 1 iPhone, 2 iPad, 1 Mac Air AI cluster. Apple machine learning researchers have an open source framework MLX that among other things makes distributed training and inferencing straightforward between Apple Silicon devices. There’s going to be a...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Mark Gurman claims the M4 Mac Studios aren’t arriving until H2 2025. All rumors and speculation, but given it’s the same timeframe as TSMC making a big step up in SoIC production, it could mean the M4 Ultra is targeted for SoIC. Cheaper, more bandwidth, and lower latency than the current...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    SoIC is the future. SoIC in the future.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    It’s a 12 core that has somewhat better performance than M3/M4. I don’t doubt the 4+4 can go fanless, but won’t that be in devices that have no hope of competing in the premium thin and light space? They can keep the snappy UI and web browsing that single thread allows, but they will get crushed...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Given that Qualcomm has had Phoenix/Oryon for 3.5 years - and as far as I know, Phoenix was never more than simulated - are the challenges and inability go fanless surprising? Did they have time to do much if anything more than lay out a Oryon as was envisioned in a server? I’m sure they were...
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    Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    Wintel for the masses is still the default. Much less so for tech bros, but for people uninterested in computers, but need one to get things done, Intel is the only one that doesn’t need to wow. All the others need to wow. Maybe less so for AMD. Outside a certain fanbase, Apple needs to wow...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Was the M4 pulled forward? I’m not sure. I think it was late. I think they originally planned to sell products with this chip in 2022. People assess Apple’s plans like TSMC’s struggles, Covid and that year and a half supply chain crisis had no effect. Not to mention the rumors of Apple’s...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Exactly! Precisely what I’m referring to. Because all the innovations boost the usefulness and appeal of low parameter models squeezed into less than 32 GB of RAM benefits high parameter models as well. Above 100 billion parameter models will be at the vanguard of neural network capabilities for...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    That post is a full-scale thermonuclear attack on Occam’s Razor.
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    If that were the case, it doesn’t explain the long wait for M4 series Macs - the point of this line of discussion I thought - since the existence of the M4 is costing them M3 series Mac sales. Any possible inventory oversupply would be much worse now.
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    If it were inventory, putting the M2 or M3 in iPad Pros would be the move. I think the completely unexpected M4 release is strong evidence of a lack of inventory issues.
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I’m not talking about what Apple is doing for on device AI, nor even what models they are using in their private cloud, though it could be applicable. This is about people buying hardware to run high parameter models locally. 4-bit quantization has above 96 percent accuracy and larger parameter...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I’m specifically talking about inference for a reason, and it is because Macs can inference with large models at a decent pace and Thunderbolt is proving sufficient in some cases for linear scaling, so not so much of a bottleneck. I did just notice that I Ieft out the point of my post, which...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    They are close to having ideal machines for generative AI for basic consumers up through creative professionals. Recently people have been able to cluster together up to Mac Studios via Thunderbolt with linear scaling. Even with the current Max at 128 GB, that would give a 4 Studio cluster with...
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    Apple Store apps don't respect your privacy

    It would be weird if that was the reason. Because what company does better? Talking about Apple’s problems doesn’t affect me because I’ve experienced far too many issues of of my own. But I also have extensive experience with Windows, Android, Linux, HP, Asus, MSI, Lenovo, Samsung, HTC, and LG...
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    Apple Store apps don't respect your privacy

    There may be some number of individuals who think Apple’s privacy stance means that they have the App Store perfectly on lock and nothing on any Apple devices can ever disturb your full privacy. I haven’t participated in any threads here on this site, have you encountered any with that view...
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    The persistence at pressing your point against an expression of a concept is amusing. In fact that demonstrates why I’d be amused if it were done. All the “why did they do that, there’s no reason to” that would erupt from the crowd. I don’t expect, suspect, speculate, support, hope for...
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    How much evidence have you seen that they are not split? I’m not here to make any claims, I just said I would find it amusing if they did it. If it turns out different, I don’t care. It appears that there was some per thread thought that went to the design. Maybe I missed the hard facts that...
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    I’m talking about the whole family and how hard the thread paths are split.
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    it appears to me to be a functional unit with resources split at the thread level. The implementation will obviously be different, but if the purpose of having two threads share some IP blocks while having separate paths through the unit, I see a possible connection. From what I’ve seen it’s...
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    I can’t begin to describe or even understand myself the amusement I will have if Zen 5 is a working Bulldozer design.
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    Geekbench was in existence for many years before Apple Silicon. For most of its existence, the Mac OS X version measured Intel CPUs. Apple’s chips look good with everything you can get to run on them, pretty much across the board. DaVinci Resolve, Handbrake, the Adobe Suite, the list goes on...
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    If all this turns out to be true, it’s interesting to me both Zen 5 and Lion Cove were in development when Apple dropped the M bomb. And both AMD and Intel decided their mobile products needed bespoke versions of their cores with structures and functionality stripped out.
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    M4 laptops come in 16 GB and 24 GB alternatives as well with no indication they would be any cheaper if the 8 GB model was ended.
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    Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

    when the Ryzen details were announced with all the upgraded front end resources explaining the 40% IPC increase, I wondered at the time how much better the Bulldozer family would perform if it got the same upgrades.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Oops. I have too many threads open, not sure how I missed that SPEC17 post.
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Yeah, but if that develper can’t get the 16 GB, then Apple makes the base 16 GB and raises the price, then that developer can’t get any model. He’s just assed out. This is why I don’t understand the complaints about the existence of 8 GB Macs. Apple sets the price for 16 GB at a certain amount...
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    Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads

    If they get the power and thermals under control, an 8+32 might appeal to the low end workstation market. Especially if they can put it into a Mac Studio type box that is portable and quiet, but with enough power for say video, editors, and audio engineers, as well as others who could use that...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Yes, I was referring to your wager of doubling or tripling the neural engine on the M5. What I am thinking about is the future as well, I also don’t see a present problem. The issue is I think Apple future chips are also going to lean harder into matrix units and compute TOPS. I feel though...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    Has anyone seen any information on whether the neural engine has access to all the memory bandwidth available to the larger chips? Mac Studios have been selling a lot to machine learning researchers, because of the ability to run large models on Max and Ultra devices. But these are running on...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    It IS a really good chip and Qualcomm made a tremendous achievement. If they just said., “we are going to enter the laptop market and be alongside the leaders from day one” they could’ve gotten nothing but applause. It’s probably a lot of power management/firmware/driver/BIOS tweaks that need to...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I also want to see the marketing meeting rooms working on the slide presentations for Strix and Lunar. The giddiness, the laughter, so many jokes being cracked. The breaks probably rival middle school lunchrooms.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I don’t see this as compelling against what is essentially previous gen. Strix coming next month and Lunar Lake with huge changes coming inside of 4 months. I’m now betting Lunar Lake is going to win on performance (including against native ARM) as well as battery life. I think these are...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I’d like to see Speedometer performance before and after that bend in the line.
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