Something I'd missed which does change some things, the scores published by this account as being 17W are for a chip with PL1 and PL2 both being 17W.
The 30W numbers are a bit weird right now so it's tough to predict how a 17W PL1/30W PL2 chip (which is all SKUs but one) will behave, but it's a...
I'm talking about multi-threaded performance, as I said ST is a better showing but with the caveat that platform TDP doesn't tell us much about power consumption in single threaded performance.
In both GB 5.5 and CB23 MT, the 17W LNL is 20/30% behind M3.
It might not outright consume more but it will have comparable peak power draw (all LNL SKUs have a 30W PL2) and significantly lower performance across power profiles. The 17W PL1 benchmarks should be a decent approximation of the M3 in terms of power profile (short burst at 30W for both...
I really don't see anything to suggest that in the currently available scores. M3 scores over 10k in CB23 in the fanless Air, LNL needs 30W to get that scores and is 20+% below at 17W (which is probably still fanned). Single core is better but Intel has always drawn a lot more power single core...
But based on this, it doesn't really do that. It barely competes with M2, doesn't get anywhere close to M3, and it will launch against M4. I'm not even saying it has to be as good as M4, but be less than 2 gens behind when it launches should have been an attainable goal.
So if the goal was to...
If these are the final benchmark results (or close to), I just don't know what the point of LNL is besides making for a good handheld gaming PC chip (but likely an expensive one).
You want something that's good at low power? M series chips destroy it even fanless, and first gen Snapdragon X...
I don't know about all of you, but for me those early scores make it clear why Intel wasn't bragging about benchmarks in their reveal at Computex... We're talking about OK-to-good results at best for now.
I'm not the biggest fan of Geekbench, don't get me wrong. Usually I put a lot more weight on Cinebench, but really no benchmark is perfect.
However right now all we have is this Geekbench score and it's basically a "worst" case scenario in MT, only matching 165U. Hopefully we'll see better...
For me I'd say it depends, if it does 10K MT while truly sticking to its 17W PL1, then that's OK if not super impressive, but if it needs to gets close to its 30W PL2 to achieve that then that's a disappointment. A fanless M3 or even M2 can get that score with the same core count.
The single core score is quite good and in line with what I expected, the MT score is not as impressive. That's in line with a good 165U result. Probably at lower power as the 165U's that score in that range probably are those with a higher TDP but still, +/-12k is what I was hoping to see...
Is a fair assumption from those SKUs leaks that the plans to have LNL support fanless designs have been shelved for now? They also haven't mentioned anything about that at Computex.
I don't personally care much about fanless, I'd rather have a fan and a more powerful chip, but Intel being...
It depends on what aspect of the process we're looking at, both 20A and 18A have GAAFET and backside power delivery, while only N2 has GAAFET and neither N3 nor N2 have BSPD, but transistor density is expected to remain better on the TSMC side.
Backside power and GAAFET are big innovations, but...
18A and 14A need to be the home runs, Arrow Lake just needs to be a competitive product.
18A because Intel is staking its legitimacy as a foundry on it and if they can't deliver that node on time and with a proper ramp they have almost no chance of attracting top contracts for it, 18A-P or 14A...
Hopefully the fact they're putting 4 P cores in a 15W (+2W memory) SKU speaks to improved power consumption characteristics for Lion Cove compared to prior P core designs from Intel. I don't expect all cores on LNL to be able to truly stretch their legs within that power limit of course, but if...
Well, the best point of comparison would be an M3 Macbook Air. It seems to be able to sustain 10/11W of power with (very) short bursts at 20W. Notebookcheck.
The rumor from leaked slides was that Intel was targeting a 8W TDP PL1 for Lunar Lake's fanless mode which I could see be paired up with...
I honestly think the statements from the LG guy are more about corporate gamesmanship than they are about a real worry about LNL supply.
We know that the wafer orders Intel has with TSMC are significant, we know there shouldn't be huge surprises with the yields considering N3B is a mostly known...
IIRC Panther Lake is supposed to cover the whole client side and bringing it all back to 18A (no clue how they're gonna have capacity for that, tho).
But I don't know if there'll be anything quite like LNL there, fully targeting the low power crown, with on package DRAM and all that. There...
It's possible that that's also the case, but regardless they don't have the capacity on N3 (or 20A even if it was library complete) for a launch as big as LNL and ARL are supposed to be.
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