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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Well, I specifically gave the source of the information. I will also say that the 250 figure came from an article in the Mayfield's Fund website news section. Is it evidence enough? You don't have to take my word, but I am also not obligated to do your "homework". I don't know anything about...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    So Phoenix-L should be close to A17 Pro in "IPC" or am I crazy? The more interesting part is that, as per commented on the Apple thread, A18 looks like just a higher clocked A17 Pro.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I don't see any overblowing. There have been a few waves of departures, first in early to mid-2021, then a year after, and now more recently. You don't have to take my word for it. Look at LinkedIn and search specifically for those who came from Apple. Did thousands of employees leave? Of course...
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    Let's see how other leakers follow. So far, he is the only one claiming that. It seems improbable, given previous reports, unless NUVIA found a secret boost button below their desk. About NUVIA, I hear they have been hiring "heavily" (at least for their scale) from Intel and Samsung. Are these...
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    Discussion Apple Silicon SoC thread

    I was also waiting for GPU improvements. Apple Silicon CPU are great, but the GPUs still have room for improvements. I have been under that impression for a while now. Apple seems to be on a 'rolling release' scheme, with features added as they're ready. I wonder if this is because their...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Man, I replied to the wrong thread. It is too early in the morning, my head is not working properly.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I was also waiting for GPU improvements. Apple Silicon CPU are great, but the GPUs still have room for improvements. I have been under that impression for a while now. Apple seems to be on a 'rolling release' scheme, with features added as they're ready. I wonder if this is because their...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    They forgot Computex. "Lunar Lake buuust this myth!" Pat might have many qualities as CEO, but being a good spokesperson is not one of them. Unlike AMD, Intel is making some bold claims about its energy efficiency. I hope they actually deliver it. Beating, or matching, X Elite battery life...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Buying Intel's GPU division would be a good way to bootstrap Adreno's maturing. The former does not have the best iGPUs in the world, but better than the latter for sure. For the CPU side, what would Qualcomm gain? It is not like Intel was crushing competitors with their designs. It might be a...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Agree 100%. This is only true if reviewers were mostly testing units with X1E-80 and X1E-84. Since some claimed most come with X1E-78, I think this suspicion does not hold. Also, I don't know how relevant it is to user experience. Sure, it should make a difference, but how much? What is the...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I pretty much agree, with some exceptions. First, I would not say it is a "marketing" decision. It is a business decision made by different teams. Still, if pressed, I would probably call it a product management decision. Second, I do think it is an, at least partially, engineering decision on...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    This is a bit simplistic. There are many, many people involved in bringing any product to life. Engineers, programmers, product managers, financial, sales, and... marketing. All of which have their inputs, but still each to his own. I don't think a "marketing" guy is deciding on the number of...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Yeah, you are right. I forgot to say it averages at that score for Windows, which makes for a fairer comparison.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    It looks like a high score for this part and laptop. A quick glance at other results, I'd say it averages at about 2200 to 2300 ST in GB6 running Windows. WCCTech shows X1P-42 is above Core Ultra 9 185H. I guess if they keep the battery life, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, it might...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Qualcomm has been on the market for a few years, mostly in this budget space. They probably know it better than you and me. Also, take a look at sub $700 laptops at Best Buy. Almost all of them ship with Alder Lake-U, 2.5 year-old parts at this point. It seems natural to see some of those X...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Wait, what? Read the sentence again: So, do they have to have a cheaper option?
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    The big question is if they want to target this low-end market. X Elite competes well against real laptops, so, at least for now, their Chromebook-worth days are over. I see it repeatedly as if they had to have a cheaper option. Do they? If the mobile market is any indicator, people who buy a...
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    Well, I guess this was to be expected. Think about it. How much time Qualcomm have had to work on X Elite? Three years at best? All while onboarding a new team, converting a (most certainly unfinished) CPU core intended for servers to laptops, plus getting it stitched together on their SoC...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    This. "Stripped down version" is a tidbit I added.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    It is all very clear. Regarding Glymur, what is the biggest difference between M Pro and Max? I bet Tigerick's source would have more to say about the other blocks.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    AFAIK, Canim is dead. It should be replaced by the stripped down version of Purwa that you mentioned a few posts back.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I guess we have a winner! It will be.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    It is the former. IIRC, Oryon was not supposed to even reach 4.0 GHz in its early versions. It was a "why not try?" situation for ST benchmark show-off. If the word that got out back then was accurate, they never got yields as good as originally expected, for whatever reason.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    WHAT?? That was not my experience (which arguably only lasted a few days) with the T14s by any means! It had only slightly better battery life than my previous-gen T14s with an Intel processor. I would believe more if those numbers were from a Surface Laptop.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I'm not putting any stock. I just pointed out inconsistencies in the naming convention. The big gap between releases does seem weird, but this only further raises questions about how real or accurate this document is. We could find other explanations, e.g., Dell not having machines ready upon...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I know what they are, and I'm sure you know too, that's why I'm not calling Ryzen 5000/6000 or whatever. You're probably confused because you come from the idea that I don't know what I'm talking about. Regarding Cezanne/Rembrandt/Phoenix/Strix, we were talking CPU, so I figured you would...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    What I meant by CPU is the block itself, i.e., is Oryon "V1 to V2" like Cezanne to Rembrandt or like Phoenix to Strix? Given Qualcomm history with numbered Kryo (e.g., 670 to 680) and now the non-numbered fiesta (Kryo Prime based on X2 or A715 in the same year), I'm not sure it will be...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    This is where the confusion lies. AFAIK there is no agreement on what Oryon V1/1+/2/etc means. Qualcomm calls its CPUs Oryon, like Adreno and Hexagon, but said nothing about how it will do its "versioning." The community started calling Oryon V2, but this should mean the next CPU, not uarch...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    The problem here is terminology. The poll said "Oryon V2 (Pegasus)", meaning the next uarch iteration, thus the parenthesis. In the Dell leak the timeframe closely tracks the next generation of X SoCs, but this is V2 of the SoC itself, which should use roughly the same Phoenix variants to be...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Is it enough, though? Oryon V2 is not coming on the next generation of X processors, which should use roughly the same Phoenix variants that will be featured in 8G4. We are talking late 2026 at the earliest for Oryon V2, which means we could be getting well into M6 territory. Being two...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I agree. Though I was expecting at least Recall to be a launch feature for Copilot+ PCs. Six months ago, Microsoft was hyping the "Windows AI". Internally, features were being kept under ten levels of NDA, and other employees were being led to believe it would put them years ahead of macOS. At...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    They have no AI feature to sell. Anyone old enough to have lived the Haswell era knows how battery life, when a decent improvement, is a key selling point.
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    The question is: who uses WSL? Not the average Joe. Aside from gamers, engineers/developers and other professionals, there is very little need for anything above 16GB. They are not running CAD tools, don't have many virtual machines spinning simultaneously, and surely are not running complex...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    It looks like the entire Book4 line is discounted, so I would not take that as evidence of poor sales of X Elite (not that there are any rumors it is selling well, much on the contrary)
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    It also bears the question of when Canim will be on the market. It was already a "late to the party" part when the high-end ones were still expected to be released much earlier. With the delayed launch/mass volume of Hamoa, very little noise regarding Purwa, and now the heat coming from AMD and...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    This is probably true, i.e., they could have avoided the (allegedly) mess. But this is very insensible of how the Intel business works. Intel has a borderline abusive way of doing business. They use their well-established influence to essentially control, or at the very least highly manipulate...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    I've spent the last five days with two X Elite laptops, both lent. Here are my impressions so far. 1) Surface Laptop 7 (13") This computer is seriously impressive. I can barely remember the last time I was this impressed with a laptop other than the M1 MacBook Air (ThinkPad T440 maybe?). I...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    Qualcomm chose SKU names. OEMs can choose to display it to the customer or not. Intel has equally confusing (to the layman) SKU names. Apple never disclosed them, and it never stopped customers from buying MacBooks. I don't think any company, other than Apple, would ditch SKUs in favor of...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    This is not exactly Qualcomm's fault, and I imagine, if they could choose, it would not be like that. Some OEMs choose to show the SKU (thanks?). It does not need to be like that. I give two examples. When Apple used Intel processors, they never advertised the SKU on their website. Even with...
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    Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

    He was not joking when he said it was "easy" taking their money just to make a video with the computers. Poor Qualcomm fools! I disagree that SKUs are "customer-facing" in any way. Qualcomm wants to pull an Apple here and have X Elite, X Plus, and X (and more) plus some "don't care about what...
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