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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

I tried installing Vista on a PIII 700 once. DVD wouldn't boot - gave weird errors that I concluded at the time meant that the PIII didn't support some CPU instructions it was using.
- VivienM
- Post #458
- Oct 13, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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I'm sorry, but I think that running an OS or any software that isn't currently supported by the vendor for security updates on any system connected to the public Internet is reckless. I can tell you that I don't have any family members, work-related machines, or anybody within my sphere of...
- VivienM
- Post #454
- Oct 12, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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You don't get the whining? a) MS is going to support Win10 until 2025. So everything unsupported in 11 is e-waste in 2025. b) PCs are a mature technology. For many, many people and uses, a sandy bridge with enough RAM and an SSD is more than good enough. For some people, you might even be able...
- VivienM
- Post #452
- Oct 12, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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The GPU manufacturers tend to be quite good at supporting their products with drivers for a long time, in part, I think, because they understand the importance of the used market. People are more likely to buy expensive 3080/3090-class GPUs if those GPUs can be sold at high prices two or three...
- VivienM
- Post #450
- Oct 12, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Well, my first gen i3 is being offered today's cumulative update. That is an encouraging sign...
- VivienM
- Post #448
- Oct 12, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Abandoning legacy Win32 would be suicide, regardless of any plan/transition period. Inertia works in Microsoft's favour - people keep running legacy things on Windows, developers make mild updates to their legacy Windows-based products, everybody is happy and keeps printing money. If you tell...
- VivienM
- Post #446
- Oct 11, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Why have multiple versions? So they can price discriminate. It lets the hardware manufacturers price discriminate too. To use Windows in any kind of businessy environment, you need Active Directory and that means Pro. So, unless you have a volume licence agreement that gives you access to...
- VivienM
- Post #444
- Oct 11, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Interestingly, Microsoft tried that approach with Windows XP Mode in Win7. I suspect it was fairly widely used, if only so that you could migrate your bare metal OS to 64-bit and keep running those pesky DOS/16-bit business applications. But... what happened to XP Mode after Win7?
- VivienM
- Post #442
- Oct 11, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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The problem is, 'legacy' is ultimately why people buy Windows... well, legacy and corporate management features. Every time they try a Windows RT or Windows 10 S or anything that doesn't have backwards compatibility with the big chaotic mess of Win32 x86 software (and driver compatibility for...
- VivienM
- Post #441
- Oct 11, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

The problem is that 'Microsoft' doesn't seem very unified on this point. The reality is that what the development team produced is what should fairly be called NT 6.5 (assuming you count all feature updates for 10 as 6.4). It works like all the other NT 6.x versions, it uses the same drivers...
- VivienM
- Post #438
- Oct 11, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Question Windows 11 CPU Requirements Makes No Sense. Evidence Inside ↓↓↓

So far, it appears as though the hardware requirement checking may only be for feature updates, but who knows. I think things will become clearer after the first couple of cumulative updates.
- VivienM
- Post #22
- Oct 8, 2021
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Yup, I remember going from 128 megs to 256 megs to 640 megs of RAM in an attempt to feed the beast known as 2000. At 640 it was actually very happy. (And here 20 years later, I have 64 gigs of RAM... funny how things evolve) Re XPx64, there wouldn't have been an earlier version because I think...
- VivienM
- Post #427
- Oct 7, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Question Windows 11 CPU Requirements Makes No Sense. Evidence Inside ↓↓↓

For better or worse, they don't sell Windows on a subscription basis to consumers. So... I think they would prefer you regularly buy new PCs with fresh new OEM licences to use your 365 subscription stuff on.
- VivienM
- Post #14
- Oct 7, 2021
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

If you were coming from 98SE, XP was a dramatic improvement. Drivers would have been an issue because some vendors back then didn't want to support 'NT' with drivers for consumer products and so you didn't have drivers from 2000 or earlier NT versions for those. If you were coming from 2000, XP...
- VivienM
- Post #425
- Oct 7, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Yes, and there are others, like that script that was mentioned a week ago or so which let me do upgrade installs on BIOS/MBR systems.
- VivienM
- Post #424
- Oct 7, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Question Windows 11 CPU Requirements Makes No Sense. Evidence Inside ↓↓↓

Some of us have been screaming bloody murder about this since it was announced in June - i7 7700 with 64 gigs of RAM here that I thought I would get a lot of life out of when I bought a 3070 GPU... Honestly, this whole thing has now been proven to be complete BS. I now have Windows 11 running...
- VivienM
- Post #10
- Oct 6, 2021
- Forum: CPUs and Overclocking
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I presume you deliberately excluded Windows 2000 from that list? I'm trying to remember how old Win2000 was when I switched to it (I can't believe I had been stupid enough to order a new computer with 98SE, boy did that turn out to be a bad idea and six months later I switched to 2000... then...
- VivienM
- Post #419
- Oct 6, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Oh I agree, and if anything, that 11.6" i3-380U laptop is in the segment that has improved the most in the past decade... If this was an i7-980 or whatever the top of the line desktop chip of that era was, I think the difference would be nowhere near as stark.
- VivienM
- Post #387
- Oct 4, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Surprise... it seems to work just fine. A little slow perhaps, but that thing was also slow on 10 so it's not like that's a huge change...
- VivienM
- Post #385
- Oct 3, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

I'm feeling like installing Win11 on an i3-380U 11.6" Acer notebook with 4 gigs of RAM. Would guess it'll run just fine after that magical script. Oldest laptop I have; I have some C2D/C2Q systems too but they're desktops and in the closet.
- VivienM
- Post #384
- Oct 3, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Works as normal so far, I think? I do not intend to do this on my i7 7700 or any other systems that I particularly care about, precisely because of the concerns you've raised. The laptop it's on now... barely had any anything on it, so wiping it and going back to 10 wouldn't be a big deal. Or...
- VivienM
- Post #381
- Oct 1, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

I managed to get the waiver dialog! Ran the script that's been in the tech press in the last day or so, suddenly the installer from the ISO works just fine to do an in-place upgrade on my Sandy Bridge BIOS/MBR system. But it did give me the waiver before installing. It's installing now, curious...
- VivienM
- Post #377
- Sep 30, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Microsoft's position is that they've allowed all the CPUs they're planning to allow. They claimed to do a big review after the June announcement/outcry and the only processor they added to the list was an i7 7xxx used in some funky Surface product. But we don't know exactly how they're doing...
- VivienM
- Post #375
- Sep 26, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

I'll probably do a clean install on some of my Sandy Bridge laptops with the full registry keys to bypass the various checking at some point. Very hesitant to do it on the newer systems like the i7 7700 that, frankly, I use daily and that run reliably - it's a lot of work setting up a clean...
- VivienM
- Post #373
- Sep 26, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Basically, all the requirements are being checked only for in-place upgrades. Unless the final build will be different than the 22000.194 ISO everybody calls the final build, when you boot from the ISO, it actually checks for secure boot and TPM. Maybe TPM 2.0 specifically. Add the two...
- VivienM
- Post #369
- Sep 25, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

I have long had a feeling that not everybody at MS understands fully how draconian the CPU age cut-off is. Or doesn't understand that somebody else told the developers to put code imposing a hard cut-off on older processors? What I still want to understand is how to get that waiver of doom...
- VivienM
- Post #367
- Sep 25, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

I can tell you the installer of 22000.194 tells me, trying to do an in-place upgrade, that my i7 7700 is not supported. (But it doesn't say that on my no-TPM 1.2/no-secure boot laptop. It's like it's a separate check - first it does the TPM/secure boot/some other checks and gives you all those...
- VivienM
- Post #365
- Sep 25, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Now experimenting with the installer booted on a Sandy Bridge laptop with UEFI, no Secure Boot, TPM maybe 1.2. Put the three bypass registry keys and it appears to proceed fine (I made it to the partition screen), but, of course, you can't do an upgrade install while booting from a disc. Still...
- VivienM
- Post #363
- Sep 25, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

I wonder... I just ran the installer in Windows 10 from the 22000.194 ISO that some people claim is final. Hard fail on both a TPM 1.2/unsupported CPU system and my i7 7700. The 7700 just says this processor is not supported just like we had understood for months it would say. None of that...
- VivienM
- Post #362
- Sep 24, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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My question is what unsupported machines get this option - is this only for older CPUs? TPM 1.2s? Non-secure boot? We will have to see what the final build is like, but certainly the newest insider builds now take the view that TPM 2.0/secure boot is required in a VM. No crazy waiver thing...
- VivienM
- Post #360
- Sep 22, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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So this is interesting - newest media coverage reports that people with unsupported CPUs are being told that they can proceed with an in-place upgrade if they accept a big gloomy message about how this is unsupported, they could be voiding their PC's warranty, they may not get updates, etc. Not...
- VivienM
- Post #352
- Sep 21, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Asus & co. thought, like you did, that the issue was only TPM 2.0, so they are rolling out BIOS upgrades that set the proper defaults for enabling the in-CPU TPM 2.0 and secure boot. Nothing they can do about the hard processor age check. So basically, MS left them holding the bag and looking...
- VivienM
- Post #350
- Sep 21, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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This is not about TPM 2.0 anymore. It was only about TPM 2.0 for about a day, really, until word came out of the processor age requirement. They added a hard check for 8th-gen and newer Intel CPUs and 2nd-gen Ryzens and above. And they have made that check harder as the betas went on. And they...
- VivienM
- Post #347
- Sep 21, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Correction: those who bought "nice computers" in 2018 or earlier get told that their computers don't meet Microsoft's security and reliability expectations for Windows 11, while the $400 machines from Worst Buy do. So no, the nice computers don't last anymore (well, okay, the nice computers will...
- VivienM
- Post #345
- Sep 20, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Home users are expected to waltz down to worst buy, pick up a new PC that's probably slower than their existing one (lots of people are like 'oh I don't do much, I don't need fancy' and end up with the totally junky processors), and be somewhat unhappy with its performance from the day they...
- VivienM
- Post #343
- Sep 20, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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And that's fantastic for frog boiling, isn't it? Let CBB/LTSB keep running random things, while slowly restricting what everybody else can run until your Windows PC is basically an Xbox with a keyboard and mouse.
- VivienM
- Post #342
- Sep 20, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

And push you to OneDrive - in lots of circumstances where things are screwed up, you won't be able to just fire up a bootable Linux thing, grab the files off the problematic drive, copy to external media, done. So that means you need BitLocker-friendly, i.e. Microsoft-powered, tools to try and...
- VivienM
- Post #340
- Sep 20, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

I think others, e.g. Valve, have largely agreed with that. I'm sure that's one reason they have spent so much effort trying to get more and more of the Steam library running on Linux. But yes, I think you're right - Apple and their app store and their 30% cut have been a great inspiration...
- VivienM
- Post #339
- Sep 20, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

Yup, and once upon a time, this was related to how good your PC was. Depending on when you bought your PC and how good it was at the time, maybe you could upgrade from Windows X to X+2. Or maybe a lower end PC could only go to X+1 but didn't have anywhere near the RAM/CPU for X+2. Maybe a really...
- VivienM
- Post #331
- Sep 20, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems
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Microsoft officially announces Windows 11

In all fairness, it won't be many - just whatever enthuasiasts somehow manage to get the new OS installed on unsupported hardware. But I agree that it's a dangerous idea...
- VivienM
- Post #328
- Sep 20, 2021
- Forum: Operating Systems

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