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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    That?s right your numbers were crude and inaccurate. There is no disagreement between 7% of total cultivable land and 20% of pre-67? cultivable land at the inception of Israel ~ so I?m not sure what your argument is. If it takes me 10 posts and 2 days to convince you that your straight...
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    There is a major difference between 33% Jewish ownership and 7% Jewish ownership (cultivable land only). Remember you removed the desert and water to achieve 33%. And the 7% excludes those as well. You?re starting to get pathetic at this point. It?s like talking to a mental patient. Of...
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    You just proved yourself that your original formula and percentage is crap! And it took me 8 freaking posts to get it through your thick skull. Take a look at your original number and the numbers we are talking about now, they don?t match, you were wrong, you are the dense one and lacking the...
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    I didn?t change the value of X, because I shouldn?t according to your formula. You took the total land owned by Jews, I took the rest of the total land owned by Arabs and others. This is your formula! And you are right, it is wrong! If you use total Jewish land which was 1,874,000 sq km...
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    I was just trying to show you how full of crap you are. If you did your ?legwork? you?d realize it yourself. According to your calculations Jews owned 33% of the land: X = 1,874 sq km (Land owned by Jews in 1947 ) Y = 5693 sq km (pre-1967 Israel minus Negev and Water) F = 33% (X / Y)...
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    If you re-read my post above you will see that that is what I?m talking about, land ownership prior/at Israel?s inception, ?area that would become Israel in 1948? So now that we have Israeli land ownership percentage, can I see your calculation for public land ownership and Arab land...
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    Well, I?m trying to figure out how much land was owned by Jews, Arabs and governing body in the area that would become Israel in 1948 ~ since that is the land that is considered stolen by many people and that is what started the conflict. So, if we take a look at Israel?s land at its...
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    Comprehension isn?t the problem ~ the problem is inadequate explanation ;) And the issue still remains ~ why do you use TOTAL Jewish owned land in your calculations, as opposed to Jewish owned land inside the pre-1967 borders?
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    Looking at your source it seems that you took a TOTAL of Jewish land ownership, which was 463,000 acres (1,874 sq km) ~ you did not divide it by X, how much more inacurate can you get?
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    That is not a very realistic calculation ~ you?re assuming that Jewish land ownership was evenly distributed throughout the whole Palestinian land, which was not the case. And why would you remove Negev area from the calculation? Wasn?t that land also annexed by Israel?
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    Let me get this straight. You took the total area of the land that Jews owned in the whole of Palestine and subtracted it from the pre-1967 land? Or am I missing something? Source for your numbers would also be nice ;)
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    How to Talk to Your Jewish Friends About Israel

    So how much is ?quiet a bit?? What was the percentage of land ownership by Jews? Please enlighten us.
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    I've come to a realization regarding this board re: the mideast

    Reading opinions of analysts, historians, people involved in the conflict and news networks makes me informed, not biased. Just because you saw an aftermath of suicide bombing does not make you more knowledgeable. It?s much more likely that it made you more emotional and we all know how...
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    I've come to a realization regarding this board re: the mideast

    Considering I have nothing to do with this conflict and the closest connection I can think of is that I have Jews married into my family, I don?t think I am biased and I have nothing to gain by supporting either side. I?m simply looking at all facts, reading editorials (from both sides), and...
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    I've come to a realization regarding this board re: the mideast

    At the same time you admit of being biased ~ which clouds your judgment and makes you cherry-pick the information that suits your point of view. When the Israeli leader admits of willingness to terrorize innocent population, it doesn?t take an idiot to figure out that Israel intentionally...
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    "Thank you, Israel"

    I?m talking about posts in other threads, for example the one I linked to above where you supposedly replied to me, but it doesn?t really look like a reply but some badly formatted garbage. When you say ?US always rush in? that means always, unless ?always? means something different in your...
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    "Thank you, Israel"

    That?s because you are brainless, your posts are not formatted correctly so they are hard to follow and they don?t make any sense. Let?s just take a look at your first paragraph above. Have you been following the news? Unlike other countries, US does not want an immediate ceasefire...
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    CNN reporter admits: "I transmitted Hizballah propaganda"

    You do not know what the word ?terrorism? means if you think that IDF does not terrorize innocent civilians. Terrorism - the systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective. That is exactly what IDF...
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    CNN reporter admits: "I transmitted Hizballah propaganda"

    To you 600 deaths is equivalent to showing great restraint, because it isn?t 600 Jews that were murdered in the past couple of weeks. No, you need some reading comprehension lessons. I?m talking about entire towns being bombed out of existence, homes, apartment buildings etc. Obviously 600...
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    CNN reporter admits: "I transmitted Hizballah propaganda"

    It?s like talking to a retarded kid. I?m talking about this present situation. If you want to talk about 2000-2004 period you know perfectly well that many more innocent people died from Israeli bombs not to mention suffered oppression and collective punishment ~ a situation that would make...
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    CNN reporter admits: "I transmitted Hizballah propaganda"

    Is really 600 Lebanese deaths ?very few? in your twisted little world? How would you feel if it was 600 Jews that died? That would be horrible, wouldn?t it? I don?t think anyone here wants Hezbollah or Hamas to exists, at least not the terrorist factions. It is the method of their removal...
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    CNN reporter admits: "I transmitted Hizballah propaganda"

    Not necessarily so, exodus of the Lebanese population prevented the deaths while the towns are still being bombed out of existence and those that chose not to leave or were not able to leave are still dying. Which facts did I distort? The facts on the pictures? Do you want me to find you...
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    CNN reporter admits: "I transmitted Hizballah propaganda"

    Really? Provide one ounce of evidence I support any kind of terrorism.
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    CNN reporter admits: "I transmitted Hizballah propaganda"

    Why do I make you sick? Because I?m against any kind of terrorism ~ be it suicide bombers or cluster bombs? You?re a dolt.
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    CNN reporter admits: "I transmitted Hizballah propaganda"

    Haha, haven?t you been following the news, Israel is bombing towns out of existence. What is even more disturbing and contradicting to your statements is that Israeli security cabinet decided to continue and even step up the bombardment. The reason they haven?t done so in Bint Jbeil and...
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    CNN reporter admits: "I transmitted Hizballah propaganda"

    That?s right :thumbsup: Current Israelis have become what their grandparents would have hated and feared.
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    Israeli air raid struck UN Observation Post

    The UNIFIL observer send an email that Hezbollah were ?all over? the U.N. position several days prior to the bombing ~ while the UN?s peacekeeping chief reported that on the day of the bombing the only ?known Hezbollah activity was 5 kilometers away?. Where do you see a contradiction?
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    Israeli air raid struck UN Observation Post

    Of course, you forgot this important little detail from the article ~ how convenient. "A senior U.N. peacekeeping operation official who briefed the press yesterday, however, said that on the day the deaths occurred, the only "known Hezbollah activity was 5 kilometers away." "A spokesman...
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    Israeli air raid struck UN Observation Post

    The logic for purposely targeting UN base is simple; IDF does not want the UN to stay in the area since they are armed with the most destructive weapons - aka binoculars and cameras. They know they can easily weasel out of it by saying it was a mistake, it worked for them countless of times...
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    Israeli air raid struck UN Observation Post

    Israel is known for its collective punishment methods ~ it does not need to kill 100,000 civilians. A fraction of them is enough as long as the rest of them are terrorized, become refugees and have their lives shattered. Israel?s history is full of such acts, it?s nothing new. Destruction...
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    Israeli air raid struck UN Observation Post

    If Israel is not going after civilians I wonder why they are using cluster bombs in civilian areas .
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    UN humanitarian chief accuses Hizballah of ?cowardly blending? among civilians

    The Israeli army has been accused of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in an operation in northern Gaza I guess Hizaballa aren't the only cowards in this conflict...
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    In Israel

    It has everything to do with equality within citizenship since it effects Arab-Israeli citizens who are not able to live with their Palestinian families. It would be the same if Knesset decided that practicing Islam is forbidden. Clearly it would apply to Jews, Arabs and Christians, but it...
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    In Israel

    It has everything to do with citizens not being able to live with their families because of their religion. The issue above concerns land leasing AND LAND SALE by a private organization controlled by ISRAELI GOVERNEMNT. Just because there is not much more land to sell doesn?t change the...
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    In Israel

    You can dance around this argument as much as you want, it does not change the fact that Israeli-Arab, who is more likely to marry Palestinian Arab than Russian Jew, has no right to live with the spouse in Israel, hence the discrimination of Israeli-Arabs. I?m glad we finally agree that...
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    In Israel

    No, you are wrong ~ US Department of State released a Human Rights report on March 8th, 2006 which says this: ?Approximately 93 percent of land in the country is public domain, the majority of which is owned by the state, with approximately 12.5 percent owned by the Jewish National Fund (JNF)...
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    In Israel

    Didn?t you just contradict yourself? Arabs have equal rights within Israel ~ but Arabs don?t have equal rights ;) Anyway, your list of "exceptions" is not complete, like residence and citizenship rights or land sale and lease rights for example ~ and there are more. But I'm sure you can...
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    In Israel

    Show me someone on this thread or even on this forum who says that oppression in Arab countries is good? Ohh wait?you can?t? Well then?.stop inventing arguments that don?t exist and go back to your troll cave, troll.
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    In Israel

    No, you got it backwards; Jews and Arabs lived in relative peace until Zionists started a movement to create their own religious state in 1900?s.
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    In Israel

    The funny thing is that even Jews do not have the same rights as Orthodox Jews in Israel ~ for example they are discriminated in personal and civil status matters. Arabs are simply second class citizens and have to put up with institutional, legal and societal discrimination. The problem...
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