[DamienVorlion]

nor any other 478 pin board thats out right now.

 

[NFS4]

<< nor any other 478 pin board thats out right now. >>


Huh?? Do you have any evidence to back that up? I mean, just a blanket statement doesn't cut it...

 

[Rahminator]

I wouldn't be surprised. Intel changes their sockets like gloves nowadays, which makes it a pain to upgrade.

 

[DamienVorlion]

No manufacturer has claimed support for the Northwood core.

Just becasuse they put out a 478 pin solution, that does not mean it will support all future chips with 478 pins.

 

[AGodspeed]

P4T-E(478), does not support the Northwood core, nor any other 478 pin board thats out right now.

?

No manufacturer has claimed support for the Northwood core.

That most definitely doesn't mean it won't support it. The P4T-E is the exact same socket as Northwood will require, so where do you conclude that just because ASUS doesn't officially say it's P4T-E supports Northwood means it doesn't at all?

 

[Sugadaddy]

Where did you get that from?

 

[Sugadaddy]

<< No manufacturer has claimed support for the Northwood core. >>




Maybe because it's (northwood) not officially released yet?

 

[damocles]

Umm, you have heard of bios updates?

 

[DamienVorlion]

Neither Intel, nor any motherboard manufacturer has stated that the current 478 pin motherboards or the i850 chipset will support the upcoming Northwood core. How hard is this to figure out from that? (Even given Intel?s track record)

Now, a couple of months away from the Northwood core, don't you think they would state compatibility if they could? Or would they wait, and surprise everyone?

I know that Supermicro said that the new Xeon core(prestonia) will not work in the current Xeon(foster) mobos, and the only difference between those two chips, is the same difference between the current P4 and the new Northwood(except for the obvious).

Yes, I have heard of a bios flash? So what, are you going to bios flash all your 478 pin motherboards as long as Intel uses the 478pin model, all the way up to a P10(if it goes that far).

Seems like most of you can?t see past your emotions.

 

[fkloster]

<< Seems like most of you can?t see past your emotions... >>



hehe you make me laugh. I got $200 that says P4T-E will be Asus's Northwood Platform w/bios update or without bios update. You want that tough guy?

 

[oldfart]

<< No manufacturer has claimed support for the Northwood core. >>


And how many have claimed no support?

Where is your proof? All I can see from this post is your personal speculation.

Maybe we can treat this as a "Hardware" post and ask you.....

LINK?

Post some proof with *****CONFIRMED!!***** in the title, then we will believe you.

 

[KpocAlypse]

This is truly great comedy....OK now..

The highest clock speed for the Willamette is know to be 2.0ghz right?

Now lets look at ASUS's web site at the p4b(yes i know) and its says "Supporting the latest socket 478 Pentium 4 processors beyond 2.0GHz and up to 3GB of SDRAM, the P4B offers a highly expandable platform for today and tomorrow" TRANSLATION = Will do northwood.

Now lets look at the Board in question, the P4T-E, it says it support up to Intel Socket 478 Pentium® 4: 1.4GHz ~2.4GHz+ , Got that?

Ok, so if you can come up with a 2.4 (no o/c) willamette core, then you have offically proven everyone wrong..(including lntel, which don't even make the things to start with)

EDIT: This is getting WAY to easy take a look at Asus 478 p4 FAQ

1. "Initial versions of the Intel Pentium 4 processor are planned to operate at clock speeds of 2.0G and 1.9GHz, based on Intel's 0.18-micron process technology. Later on, there will be 1.8GHz, 1.7GHz or lower speed versions for value PC segment. Northwood's speeds will range from 2.0GHz to 2.4GHz and beyond"

2. "The new Intel Pentium 4 processor is shipped to computer manufacturers from early August. ASUS motherboards will be mass-delivered NOW. Current Intel S423 Pentium 4 will not be phased out soon, but its highest frequency will not exceed 2.0GHz, while S478 Pentium 4 CPU's frequency could extend to 2.4GHz or above with new .13-micron process technology and the Northwood core. So, for any newly-planned platform development considerations, S478 Pentium 4 platform will be the best choice."

Shall i go on? Time to get off my soapbox...

 

[damocles]

We can't see passed out emotions?

You post something and then can only back it up with speculation.

Your title seems to imply a state of fact and not something you are merely musing on.

I'm not saying it will or won't support Northwood as i have no proof; Nor do you

 

[NFS4]

<< This is truly great comedy....OK now..

What is the highest clock speed for the Willamette is know to be 2.0ghz right?

Now lets look at ASUS's web site at the p4b(yes i know) and its says "Supporting the latest socket 478 Pentium 4 processors beyond 2.0GHz and up to 3GB of SDRAM, the P4B offers a highly expandable platform for today and tomorrow" TRANSLATION = Will do northwood.

Now lets look at the Board in question, the p4t-E, it says it support up to Intel Socket 478 Pentium® 4: 1.4GHz ~2.4GHz+ , Got that?

Ok, so if you can come up with a 2.4 (no o/c) willamette core, then you have offically proven everyone wrong..(inluding lntel, which don't even make the things to start with) >>


Isn't it funny how common sense rules all?

 

[KpocAlypse]

<< Isn't it funny how common sense rules all? >>



Yup....Too bad not enough people use it...

 

[DamienVorlion]

1st) In the ASUS faq, it states nothing saying the current P4T-E will support the Northwood core, just that a 478pin solution is required.

2nd) Yes, now that you pointed it out; the P4B supports the Northwood core.

I was wrong. But I never claimed to have any secret knowledge. I was merely stating that most people assumed Northwood support in the P4T-E, yet no proof.

Now that one of you has found it, its pretty pathetic how the rest have jumped on the coat tail.

 

[christoph83]

P4's running 133FSB are atleast 10 months away.

 

[damocles]

<< 1st) In the ASUS faq, it states nothing saying the current P4T-E will support the Northwood core, just that a 478pin solution is required.

2nd) Yes, now that you pointed it out; the P4B supports the Northwood core. But can the P4T-E run a 133Mhz FSB? From the discussions on other boards, I don't think so.

I was wrong. But I never claimed to have any secret knowledge. I was merely stating that most people assumed Northwood support in the P4T-E, yet no proof.

Now that one of you has found it, its pretty pathetic how the rest have jumped on the coat tail. >>



Presumably the P4T-E could run at 133Mhz FSB with a simple update. Mine will only do 130MHz at the momebt but that is no suprise as a 133MHz FSB hasn't officially been released yet

Who is jumping on coat tails?

 

[oldfart]

<< I was merely stating that most people assumed Northwood support in the P4T-E, yet no proof >>


No, you were stating as fact that no 478 board would support Northwood without having a single shred of proof to back up your claim. What did you expect people to say?

 

[KpocAlypse]

<< 1st) In the ASUS faq, it states nothing saying the current P4T-E will support the Northwood core, just that a 478pin solution is required.

2nd) Yes, now that you pointed it out; the P4B supports the Northwood core. But can the P4T-E run a 133Mhz FSB? From the discussions on other boards, I don't think so.

I was wrong. But I never claimed to have any secret knowledge. I was merely stating that most people assumed Northwood support in the P4T-E, yet no proof.

Now that one of you has found it, its pretty pathetic how the rest have jumped on the coat tail. >>



I see the point, no where does any manufactures say, gee we support northwood, well there might be some good reasoning for that, "Northwood" isn't exacty an Official name, more than likely onely people in the "know" with recognize "northwood". So its a better bet to just take a look at the MHZ ratings...Also At release Northwood i don't think will run 133fsb, it will still be 100mhz(note could be wrong). Now you do bring up a point can the 850 run at 133, i think it should, but thats speculation on my part. Remember they said the BX won't run at 133..

 

[AGodspeed]

Also At release Northwood i don't think will run 133fsb...

I also believe the same thing Kpoc.

Not only have most web sites that I've seen indicated that the 533 MHz FSB won't debut until Q3 2002 at speeds of ~ 2.53 GHz, but I don't see any reason why Intel would need to up the FSB now, especially since PC1066 RDRAM and PC2700 DDR RAM aren't going to be made available en masse until Q2 next year.

 

[smp]

All flames aside.

I'de just like to say that I don't know, I don't know if it will or won't.. I just wanted to remember something;

The BX chipset.. does not support Slot PIII's.. Slot PII's yes, but not Slot PIII's, you needed a slotket for it right, so it still supported PIII's, but not the 133fsb or the slot, only the 100 socket (kindof weird, but not really).. the Northwood will be a die shrink, so less core voltage right? I guess a bios update could do it though right? Does the Asus website outright say it? (sorry didn't check the asus site)

Oh yeah.. and where is the original thread?