It's sort of like when Trump was entirely pro-WikiLeaks and now he crying on twitter on how unfair and illegal leaks are.
So, the apples don't fall far from the tree. Their just basing their argument on what they see The President doing.
The leaks are obviously illegal. The issue is that it seems some people care more about prosecuting these leaks then the actions that the leakers were trying to expose. The fact that there may have been collusion between the Trump and the Russians and/or the Russians have some blackmail info on Trump is astronomically more important for our democracy than these leaks.
Looks like they have been rooting out the traitors, but it doesn't happen instantly, like most things. They've rooted out Flynn and he's been partially dealt with. Now they'll move on to the campaign staff that has been dealing with Russian intelligence. They've identified Manafort as one so far, so they'll square him away and the other unidentified campaign staff. From there they can get the rest of the traitors, including Trump if he was aware of his campaign staff associating with Russian intelligence.
It's sort of like when Trump was entirely pro-WikiLeaks and now he crying on twitter on how unfair and illegal leaks are.
So, the apples don't fall far from the tree. Their just basing their argument on what they see The President doing.
Your dedication to having real facts before you before taking a leap is admirable but what about facts that are maybe not so obvious to you, like the fact that Trump is a threat to the nation and if he were removed on false evidence and innuendo, if his capacity to psychotically govern were curtailed by mass unrest and protest, would that not be a good thing? Clearly he obtained power by lies and cheating, why wouldn't it be poetic justice that he fall on that sword? What is more important, legal justice or cosmic justice? Are we not able to tell which is which. Just curious.I heard that it would require "high level" approval. This whole thing smells and I personally would like to see an investigation of Flynn along with all aspects of this fiasco including surveillance authorization and the IC leaks.
No, it would not. I hope we won't suspend justice and due process based on political expediency, to do so knocks the foundation out from under our democracy....if he were removed on false evidence and innuendo...would that not be a good thing?
You don't think that's a productive way to dialogue?We're back to answering every question with a question?
It's not as easy to be objective as some big brains here think it is. Both are bad. What I see in this case is that while we can't always do much to prosecute foreign actors, we can certainly hold our own accountable when laws are broken.You guys are hilarious. DNC leaks are good and these leaks are bad. Got it.
So performing illegal wiretaps and unauthorized release of privileged information is rooting out traitors? I seem to recall some light handed treatment Obama had with certain Russian spies and the relationships that high ranking members of his administration had with Russia. Clinton and uranium, McFaul and FSB.
Perhaps you should consider reassessing your level of dedication to having real facts before taking such highly subjective leaps of "factual" speculation.Your dedication to having real facts before you before taking a leap is admirable but what about facts that are maybe not so obvious to you, like the fact that Trump is a threat to the nation and if he were removed on false evidence and innuendo, if his capacity to psychotically govern were curtailed by mass unrest and protest, would that not be a good thing? Clearly he obtained power by lies and cheating, why wouldn't it be poetic justice that he fall on that sword? What is more important, legal justice or cosmic justice? Are we not able to tell which is which. Just curious.
The IC members at least are sticking to the oaths they took.
Like him or not, like his actions or not, Trump is the CIC. If the IC is really thinking of going "to war" with him, then it's time to start having a bunch of their members executed for treason. Apparently there is a lot of swamp that needs drained in the IC, which is not an easy thing to do.
No matter how bad you think Trump is, the concept that the spooks run the country and not the elected officials should be abhorrent to anyone who believes in anything resembling freedom.
Of course Trump is not smart to alienate the IC, he needs their support as much as possible, but gleefully delighting in the idea that the intelligence agencies can effectively get rid of the CIC says a lot about how much you value freedom versus just hating Trump.
So performing illegal wiretaps and unauthorized release of privileged information is rooting out traitors? I seem to recall some light handed treatment Obama had with certain Russian spies and the relationships that high ranking members of his administration had with Russia. Clinton and uranium, McFaul and FSB.
So performing illegal wiretaps and unauthorized release of privileged information is rooting out traitors? I seem to recall some light handed treatment Obama had with certain Russian spies and the relationships that high ranking members of his administration had with Russia. Clinton and uranium, McFaul and FSB.
I fear we are tilting at windmills. Chavez has spoken. Mid terms will be interesting if this shit keeps up at this pace.The American people are entitled to know if their president is possibly a traitor. Congress should appoint an independent counsel, or the relevant agencies should continue to leak.
Or because Trump told him to do it and he couldn't risk not obeying.Seriously, did Trump and his staff really think that the US counterintelligence was not monitoring communications of Russian diplomats with Americans? I mean this Flynn character used to be director of DIA and assistant DNI. He knew he was being monitored, he didn't care, because Trump was going to be the president and Trump didn't care.
Why do you think he got fired, and no one in his community would give him a job. That's why he was hanging out in Russia. A real true American patriot there.Seriously, did Trump and his staff really think that the US counterintelligence was not monitoring communications of Russian diplomats with Americans? I mean this Flynn character used to be director of DIA and assistant DNI. He knew he was being monitored, he didn't care, because Trump was going to be the president and Trump didn't care.
If you of your own volition call the phone of a shady character who's line is already tapped, I don't think you get to suppress the contents of the conversation you have with that shady character. They're not tapping your phone, they're tapping his and you called it, you dumb fuck. Wear it.
No doubt. Willing idiot thought he was going to get something out of this. He is.Ya know, it seems that whatever time/effort/money that Putin apparently spent on destabilizing the US is paying off big time. As your govt/country tears itself apart he's sitting at home doing vodka shots with his buddies and laughing while thinking, yeah, that was totally worth it and the lulz are a great bonus.
My question was designed to question why you could call some things highly speculative leaps, when they may appear to others as obvious truths. You are asking for evidence where others the reasoning capacity of some have found him guilty. We know that when something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's very likely to actually be a duck. Maybe you have a scale that is stuck to the right with glue on the table. Maybe you don't make rational inferences. I didn't arrive at a capacity to ask such questions because I never questioned my level of dedication to real facts. I seem to be the one full of questions. I'm just sharing my gift as it were, interested to see what you think of this. I have already concluded that Trump is a disaster to the nation. I don't have a dog in this fight. I see him as a dangerous menace to the nation about which I can do nothing. I just pop in now and again when I get bored with playing Warcraft. We're fucked and there's nothing I can do.Perhaps you should consider reassessing your level of dedication to having real facts before taking such highly subjective leaps of "factual" speculation.