The hospital would have been burnt down.
not a bad idea. maybe then our tax dollars dont get wasted on lawsuits from LEO power trippin
He should have to forfeit everything he has over it. The nurse should file a civil suit for tort damages both emotional and physical. Body cameras should be required by all police and if an incident occurs without them being present the police should be at fault each and every time.
body cameras should be mandatory, amd a violation of policy to disable them.Guilty until proven innocent? Now now don't let your fear turn you into something you wouldn't like.
body cameras should be mandatory, amd a violation of policy to disable them.
guilty until proven innocent, i wonder what the nurse who was unlawfully dragged from the hospital has to say about that.
i wonder what the patient, whom they didnt have probable cause or a warrant to take a blood sample, would have to say about that.
i agree...I agree body cams should be mandatory and disabling them should be reprimanded. In this case Payne and his supervidor were in the wrong. That doesn't change my opinion of innocent until proven guilty as the best policy.
Accountability as a deterrent to illegal action is whats needed to stop this type of behavior.Guilty until proven innocent? Now now don't let your fear turn you into something you wouldn't like.
In the movies and TV, it's only bad people having their rights violated, so people see that as okay, and internalize the mentality for real life: ie you must be doing something wrong to be arrested...Sadly its an accepted practice in modern society that is reinforced through the media. Just think about all of the tv shows and movies that glamorize law enforcement's abuse of people while making it seem okay that the ends justify the means.
Only the tv police are qualified to make that determination while everyone watching cheers them on. Albert Bandura indeed.In the movies and TV, it's only bad people having their rights violated, so people see that as okay, and internalize the mentality for real life: ie you must be doing something wrong to be arrested...
We kind of do. Medical malpractice insurance will keep bad doctors out because they cant keep practicing without insurance. I think it would be great if cops had to carry insurance. If you kill someone then your insurance is dinged for it. You do enough bad and you cant get insurance and no insurance no work.
We kind of do. Medical malpractice insurance will keep bad doctors out because they cant keep practicing without insurance. I think it would be great if cops had to carry insurance. If you kill someone then your insurance is dinged for it. You do enough bad and you cant get insurance and no insurance no work.
So in the case where an officer is justified in a shooting, their insurance goes up? That makes no sense at all.
- Merg
Yeah I agree it would need some tweaking. But it would wash out the guy that just so happens to have 10 good shoots that went to trial. That guy shouldn’t be on the street either.
If it’s a good shoot, it’s a good shoot. Why should he be penalized for doing his job properly?
- Merg
I dont think any human being should be on the streets with a gun after killing 10 people.
I’d say that would be pretty unlikely to happen anyways, but if the shooting is justified, it’s justified.
In fact, while the number of officers involved in lethal shootings is exceptionally low, I’d say that the number of officers involved in multiple lethal shootings is even exponentially lower.
- Merg
Right I would pu the number at 3 kills and you are at a desk or doing something else. Sorry. I know we need cops but everyone needs protection. Including the cop. Nobodys brain should have to deal with the fact they killed someone.
body cameras should be mandatory, amd a violation of policy to disable them.
please correct me if i'm wrong, did he actually have probable cause?
if not, then lying to get your way is still an abuse of power
thats great. we ahould probably hire people who are capable of higher level thinking like youre describing.No probable cause for seeking blood. Probable cause for placing the nurse under arrest. Which it isn't in hindsight, but statement of saying, "I am given an order by my superior to do this as part of my investigation. Anyone not allowing me to do so is impeding my investigation. Thus I have probable cause to arrest any person impeding the investigation."
I am not sure how more explicit I can be with all these posts.
I am not saying that even that statement is true. I am saying that had he handled it like that, and in a calmer manner, then all this would have blown over much easier without the outrage. Which I am not saying he was right to do even that, but there is quite a bit of difference.
Police: "Maam, I was ordered to draw blood from your patient as part of my investigation. This action was ordered by my superior for me to do."
Nurse: "I cannot allow that based on the rules set out by my supervisor and the policy drafted between this hospital and your department."
Police: "I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately as I was ordered by my supervisor to place anyone under arrest for impeding my investigation I now have to do so. I will place you under arrest temporarily, take you to my vehicle, and contact my supervisor at that time. Hopefully we can clear this mess up after that."
Had the scenario played out that way, this thread wouldn't be here. That is not to say that doing so would have been legal or correct at all for the police officer to even do as I described above. It is NOT. There is a difference in handling though and at most the police officer and supervisor would have gotten a slap on the wrist or verbal reprimand for their decisions/actions. Instead we have the situation where the police officer went overboard and is receiving harsher punishment than the supervisor for his direct actions.