“Project 2025”: Conservative master plan to end democracy?

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That's because a bunch of people think change is a good thing, without ever looking at evidence to the contrary.

I’d like you to verify what you consider evidence. Since this has seemed to be something you’ve struggled with.
 
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K1052

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I think there is a growing case that the answer to every question that Democrats are asked for the next four months should be about Project 2025. I think it hits a sweet spot in that it's real and just fringy enough that it triggers people's curiosity who then look into it a bit and become basically horrified.


 

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I think there is a growing case that the answer to every question that Democrats are asked for the next four months should be about Project 2025. I think it hits a sweet spot in that it's real and just fringy enough that it triggers people's curiosity who then look into it a bit and become basically horrified.


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They know this isn't what a majority of Americans actually want. Why else would Trump send out an obviously prepared statement claiming he doesn't know anyone involved, despite working with them for years?
 
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Maxima1

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As a lifelong migraine sufferer, I assure you this is not a “dumb thing”

If your argument is that we don’t do enough for non veterans, I agree
Do you blame your job for it? You don't get it. Most veterans don't have any significant injury event they can point to, and it doesn't matter if they're some tech admin with a cush job. They can claim sleep apnea, GERD, migraines, depression, anxiety, diabetes, asthma, flat feet, dry eyes, etc. as service connected while no one else can do this with their jobs which can easily be a worse workplace environment.

If the military gives a better deal for PTSD than the private sector, the solution isn't to make the military package equally shitty, the solution is to make the private sector package better. This is basic humanitarian stuff you piece of shit.
You can't. To give the same benefit to everyone else would cost trillions annually. It's pathetic that you guys can't even admit military disability is broken and stupid.

Yeah, I'm the piece of shit for highlighting obvious privilege and not the Democrat politicians that will constantly claim we're not doing enough for veterans while they completely ignore how shitty worker's comp is.

And surprise: Who is the defender of veterans and the military now? Democrats.

Because they're corrupt and pretend to care about equality/equity.

To get 100% for PTSD requires multiple diagnoses from multiple VA doctors. It drags on for fucking years. So much so that many end in suicide before they're actually helped.

Suicide rate isn't related to service. That has to do with the demographics. It's just cynical politicians lying.

BTW, as a retired veteran, allow me to inform you that you have no fucking clue how difficult it is to get disability claims through much less ANYTHING with the VA. They've FINALLY just started getting better and now MAGA wants to fucking undo all of that.

The process is vastly better than worker's comp and it goes even faster for those that already know about it before TAP and did all their appointments for their silly claims.

How can you say that when around half of recent veterans 2000-24 are getting disability, and the most common combined ratings for more recent veterans are 70-100%?

It's obvious lax when veterans have 100% mental health rating and then want to be cops and pilots never mind all the nurses, EMT, paramedics, etc. that would be able to claim PTSD with the military's ridiculously low standard for it.

Not to mention every couple of years you're reevaluated by THEIR doctors and have to go through the whole fucking process again if denied or downgraded.

They rarely downgrade (read: It's an escalator) and individual claims have approval rates around 60-70%, so almost everyone gets something on first try and that's considering that many people hardly are doing this optimally. I'll post this again,


The average woman Veteran who receives disability compensation benefits from VA has a 68% combined disability rating, and they receive an average of $26,809 in earned disability compensation benefits per year from VA. The average grant rate for women Veterans is 89.2%, meaning that 89% of women Veterans who have applied for disability benefits with VA have received benefits for at least one condition.

Seriously. Just fuck off.

Why is this such a sore spot? You never said your combined rating, and I believe you said something about PTSD in the past, but you likely already got a lot more in disability benefits than other people.

Jon Stewart is nowhere to be found and this guy just gets 1/3 of his regular pay for being out of work for a year and then fired. I know many veterans who get 100% mental health claims or lesser but combined with other ratings for 100% that never had anytime out of their job besides the scheming appointments before their enlistment is up yet they get 5 million plus in lifetime benefits. Make it make sense.

 

dank69

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You can't. To give the same benefit to everyone else would cost trillions annually. It's pathetic that you guys can't even admit military disability is broken and stupid.
Trillions annually? Show your work.

Yeah, I'm the piece of shit for highlighting obvious privilege and not the Democrat politicians that will constantly claim we're not doing enough for veterans while they completely ignore how shitty worker's comp is.
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Yes, you are a piece of shit.
 

Maxima1

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Trillions annually? Show your work.

Half of the population being "disabled" and getting around ~70% combined rating is obviously higher than Yang's UBI that was only 1200 per mo and rolled into retirement years. Military disability continues until death and anyone at 50% and above gets no cost health care and some other perks e.g. depending on the state and rating, no property taxes.

Yes, you are a piece of shit.

Hey, what's white privilege?
 

Amused

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Half of the population being "disabled" and getting around ~70% combined rating is obviously higher than Yang's UBI that was only 1200 per mo and rolled into retirement years. Military disability continues until death and anyone at 50% and above gets no cost health care and some other perks e.g. depending on the state and rating, no property taxes.



Hey, what's white privilege?
Half? 30% of veterans are on disability currently.
43% of post 9/11 veterans are on disability. This makes sense after 30 years of non-stop combat and highly improved medicine that means more wounded survive, environmental cancers have been discovered and proved, and PTSD is better understood.
Stop pulling shit out of your ass.
And the VA has vigorously prosecuted fraud.
Gotta love it. Veterans are the new welfare queens to MAGA.
Just sick.
 
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dank69

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Half of the population being "disabled" and getting around ~70% combined rating is obviously higher than Yang's UBI that was only 1200 per mo and rolled into retirement years. Military disability continues until death and anyone at 50% and above gets no cost health care and some other perks e.g. depending on the state and rating, no property taxes.
Thank you for showing you have no idea what you are talking about.

Hey, what's white privilege?
It's like how your mother kept you instead of throwing you in the trash where you belong.
 

ch33zw1z

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Do you blame your job for it? You don't get it. Most veterans don't have any significant injury event they can point to, and it doesn't matter if they're some tech admin with a cush job. They can claim sleep apnea, GERD, migraines, depression, anxiety, diabetes, asthma, flat feet, dry eyes, etc. as service connected while no one else can do this with their jobs which can easily be a worse workplace environment.


You can't. To give the same benefit to everyone else would cost trillions annually. It's pathetic that you guys can't even admit military disability is broken and stupid.

Yeah, I'm the piece of shit for highlighting obvious privilege and not the Democrat politicians that will constantly claim we're not doing enough for veterans while they completely ignore how shitty worker's comp is.



Because they're corrupt and pretend to care about equality/equity.



Suicide rate isn't related to service. That has to do with the demographics. It's just cynical politicians lying.



The process is vastly better than worker's comp and it goes even faster for those that already know about it before TAP and did all their appointments for their silly claims.

How can you say that when around half of recent veterans 2000-24 are getting disability, and the most common combined ratings for more recent veterans are 70-100%?

It's obvious lax when veterans have 100% mental health rating and then want to be cops and pilots never mind all the nurses, EMT, paramedics, etc. that would be able to claim PTSD with the military's ridiculously low standard for it.



They rarely downgrade (read: It's an escalator) and individual claims have approval rates around 60-70%, so almost everyone gets something on first try and that's considering that many people hardly are doing this optimally. I'll post this again,


The average woman Veteran who receives disability compensation benefits from VA has a 68% combined disability rating, and they receive an average of $26,809 in earned disability compensation benefits per year from VA. The average grant rate for women Veterans is 89.2%, meaning that 89% of women Veterans who have applied for disability benefits with VA have received benefits for at least one condition.



Why is this such a sore spot? You never said your combined rating, and I believe you said something about PTSD in the past, but you likely already got a lot more in disability benefits than other people.

Jon Stewart is nowhere to be found and this guy just gets 1/3 of his regular pay for being out of work for a year and then fired. I know many veterans who get 100% mental health claims or lesser but combined with other ratings for 100% that never had anytime out of their job besides the scheming appointments before their enlistment is up yet they get 5 million plus in lifetime benefits. Make it make sense.


Yes, I absolutely place some blame on work related stress, as that's a big trigger for me. If it wasn't for the miracle of modern medicine (Triptans), it's unlikely I could stay employed by anyone but myself.

I do get what you were trying to say, I'm saying that if their claims are valid then I'm comfortable with their compensation. The military has a process of determining if their claims are valid. Is that what you want to change?

If your arguing that private citizens should enjoy a similar scenario, then I'm going to agree.
 

outriding

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Half of the population being "disabled" and getting around ~70% combined rating is obviously higher than Yang's UBI that was only 1200 per mo and rolled into retirement years. Military disability continues until death and anyone at 50% and above gets no cost health care and some other perks e.g. depending on the state and rating, no property taxes.



Hey, what's white privilege?
Fuck veterans am I right???

They are just suckers and losers

/s


But since you are a piece of shit that has no clue about anything….

The VA budget for 2025 is 235 billion

 

compcons

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If only we allowed workers to band together into groups so they could collectively work towards improving their working situation, benefits, etc. And shame on Democrats for fighting tooth and nail to keep workers from this type of collective bargaining.

Oh wait, the answer to your complaint is unions. And, woah, its Republicans who regularly try to prevent us from bargaining for better working conditions, supplemented healthcare healthcare, etc. from our employees. For added insight, think of people passing laws to help veterans as a union helping vets get benefits form their employer (the government).
 
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Maxima1

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Half? 30% of veterans are on disability currently.

I'm aware it's lower for past veterans and have made a point about that (though again still better than that period's worker's comp). You are claiming that the about half or so veterans now getting disability makes sense and isn't rampant with fraud. PACT Act should push up for both number and rating level as now everybody and their dog is claiming sinusitis and rhinitis,

43% of post 9/11 veterans are on disability. This makes sense after 30 years of non-stop combat and highly improved medicine that means more wounded survive, environmental cancers have been discovered and proved and PTSD is better understood.
Stop pulling shit out of your ass.

This has little to do with the wars and a "war" effectively happens every 1.5 yrs for everybody else while you're talking about a 20 year time frame.

The level going out was still high after the wars had already winded down and barely any combat. Though from what I hear they're going to soon reduce sleep apnea so there's no more of that 50% or 100% nonsense which was a big reason for some of the high ratings, but everyone that had already schemed with a sleep study will be grandfathered.

And the VA has vigorously prosecuted fraud.
Gotta love it. Veterans are the new welfare queens to MAGA.
Just sick.

They legalized fraud. Getting a rating for depression, sleep apnea, diabetes etc, is just fraud. There is no reason why some office worker with no workplace event should be able to turn around and get millions because they said they were depressed and suicidal when making an appointment. More and more active duty know about the game before they leave and make appointments constantly for conditions they researched online via youtube reddit, etc. It's a big industry by itself.

Yes, I absolutely place some blame on work related stress, as that's a big trigger for me. If it wasn't for the miracle of modern medicine (Triptans), it's unlikely I could stay employed by anyone but myself.

A lot of people have stressful jobs and do not get migraines (these have to be prostrating btw, which a lot of the military knows that word because they look it up through their scheming or someone told them). Many military jobs aren't that stressful and many who enlist wouldn't even consider jobs like lineman, roofer, police, trucker, etc.. Migraines can be rated 50% which is around 1000 or so per month and helps greatly to get into what they refer to as "the hundo club" which is why many do these silly migraine logs even after they leave service. Why anyone believes that service triggered a chronic migraine condition that goes on for life and deserves that compensation?

If your arguing that private citizens should enjoy a similar scenario, then I'm going to agree.

You mean being able to claim depression and conditions that obviously have at best a really tenuous connection to the job? You don't see how people won't abuse the shit out of that? There's already rampant abuse in many more narrow programs.



Fuck veterans am I right???

They are just suckers and losers

When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression.

Eisenhower, a five-star general, believed that military service should not entitle people to special privilege and that the social safety net created by the New Deal made many benefits redundant. He wanted to refocus the system on the severely impaired and the mentally ill.

FDR's belief was that veterans should have the same class of benefits as all other citizens, and he introduced the Economy Act in Congress only six days after his inauguration. This Act focused on government cost-cutting, in particular cutting veterans' benefits and pensions by more than USD460 million.

But since you are a piece of shit that has no clue about anything….

The VA budget for 2025 is 235 billion

My comment was about applying the same disability standard to the broader population. And VA proposed budget for 2025 is around 360-370 billion or so, so not sure what that number you have refers to.
 

K1052

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If only we allowed workers to band together into groups so they could collectively work towards improving their working situation, benefits, etc. And shame on Democrats for fighting tooth and nail to keep workers from this type of collective bargaining.

Oh wait, the answer to your complaint is unions. And, woah, its Republicans who regularly try to prevent us from bargaining for better working conditions, supplemented healthcare healthcare, etc. from our employees. For added insight, think of people passing laws to help veterans as a union helping vets get benefits form their employer (the government).

Going to be fascinating watching the face eating leopard shindig that happens when an essential union strikes and Trump orders them shot if they don't return to work.
 

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At least Reagan didn't shoot the air traffic controllers when they went on strike he just fired their asses!
 

MtnMan

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When I first posted this video, I really mislabeled it. I started with "Hypothetical, but..."

In hindsight, I could not have been more wrong, there is nothing hypothetical in this video. This is their pre-game playbook, and they are drilling it into the 'players' and drilling them on exactly how to destroy democracy literally in a single day.


Vote blue, or kiss your country goodbye...
 
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iRONic

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NYT editorial board sez the tangerine terrorist is unfit for office:

New York Times editorial board declares Trump ‘unfit to lead’ | Donald Trump | The Guardian

Noting that the former president and convicted felon has now become the Republican nominee three times in eight years, the board said: “A once great political party now serves the interests of one man, a man as demonstrably unsuited for the office of president as any to run in the long history of the republic, a man whose values, temperament, ideas and language are directly opposed to so much of what has made this country great.”
 
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NYT editorial board sez the tangerine terrorist is unfit for office:

New York Times editorial board declares Trump ‘unfit to lead’ | Donald Trump | The Guardian

Noting that the former president and convicted felon has now become the Republican nominee three times in eight years, the board said: “A once great political party now serves the interests of one man, a man as demonstrably unsuited for the office of president as any to run in the long history of the republic, a man whose values, temperament, ideas and language are directly opposed to so much of what has made this country great.”
Took them long enough
 

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I think there is a growing case that the answer to every question that Democrats are asked for the next four months should be about Project 2025. I think it hits a sweet spot in that it's real and just fringy enough that it triggers people's curiosity who then look into it a bit and become basically horrified.


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Who will be the best messenger to do this? Biden who can campaign but in very small spurts and needs his sleepy time early, and really doesn't look good for more than spurts even in those moments. Four four whole months?

Or someone with all their wits about them and the energy and who will inspire people instead of make them think - oh man is he holding on ok?
 

K1052

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Dems just need to keep their eyes on the ball and hound on the horrible Rep proposals.

In an odd way the infighting might make the messaging on this more consistent and prolific. Don't want to answer repeated questions about the D candidate? Talk about Project 2025. Outside groups can also train their financial firepower over here for a while.
 
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They don’t claim to support personal freedoms at this point. Should be common knowledge by now that republicans are the anti-personal choice party. They’re perfectly happy to use the force of government to make decisions for people.
States Rights to tell you what to do, buy, think, and live.
 
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