0% APR on All Hondas

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: klingsor
Not true. I've owned a hybrid for 5 years now and have kept pretty detailed records. With the tax break (for buying this technology), the fuel savings (60-70mpg), effortless emissions certifications, and a clear conscience (priceless); the hybrid has been a good decision on many fronts. Not to mention that when I first got it, hybrids were so rare that it got a good amount of attention, saving me lots of money on drinks

Originally posted by: gvayl
You still won't make up the savings in gass for the $$$ that the Hybrid costs over the regular.

gvay is right. The Accord Hybrid starts at like $33K and gets in the upper 20's, lower 30's city mileage and upper 30's highway mileage. The nice thing about the Accord Hybrid is that its still a powerful V6 and fun to drive, instead of the anti-performance Prius

 

[Illusio]

Originally posted by: FAS284
Where is the link to this offer? or at least the full terms? thanks

no link. I work for an advertising agency that handles a lot of car dealerships. I got word today about the APR so i figured i'd pass it along. Keep an eye on your local paper next week and you should see something.

 

[k3ntondb]

Sure with this was on an Acura, though I'd never finance at the dealership.

I'm about to take delivery on an 05 VBP RSX Type-S

 

[k3ntondb]

Oh, and the Accord Hybrid is the most powerful Hybrid car out there. It shares the J30A4 engine with the Accord V6 Sedan and Coupe but with the IMA (Integrated Motor Assist) thingie that is the hybrid core, it adds 15bhp and about 10b-ft-lb/tq

 

[techfuzz]

Originally posted by: Dark Jedi
here is the fine print: 0% APR for 36 months on all New in-stock Honda models. Maximum amount financed at 0% APR equals $10,000. Other finance alternatives include 1.9% APR for 36 months, 2.9% APR for 48 months and 3.9% APR for 60 months.

I haven't heard anything for about an Acura rate, so as far as I know, its only gonna be honda.

If the 3.9% for 60 months includes their certified used cars, that's a great deal.

techfuzz

 

[gvayl]

Originally posted by: klingsor
Not true. I've owned a hybrid for 5 years now and have kept pretty detailed records. With the tax break (for buying this technology), the fuel savings (60-70mpg), effortless emissions certifications, and a clear conscience (priceless); the hybrid has been a good decision on many fronts. Not to mention that when I first got it, hybrids were so rare that it got a good amount of attention, saving me lots of money on drinks

Originally posted by: gvayl
You still won't make up the savings in gass for the $$$ that the Hybrid costs over the regular.

Ok klingsor.
Lets do the math.
Lets take your basic Honda Accord. The cheapest regular model is the DX for $16,295. The cheapest hybrid is: $30,140. Ok, to be fair lets take the average gas accord model and compare that one to the hybrid: 23,950 for the LX V-6. So the difference is 6190. Now lets say you will drive the card for 5 years. That means per year you will need to save 1238, or $103/month just to break even. Now about tax breaks...first of all I live in Indiana and I don't think we have tax breaks for hybrids. I may be wrong. Also I don't know how much you can get for a tax break. Lets assume you get $2000 cash back. Still you will have to save $69/month on gas.

Hybirds do what...about twice as much as the regular ones? So if a car has 25mpg hybrid does 50mpg? Anyhow I spend about $70/month on my elantra which claims 30mpg. If I get a hybrid that is twice as efficient I will save at most $35/month which is half as much as what I should be saving to break even on my hybrid in 5 years.

I will have to drive this car for 10 years before I begin saving money on gas!

Anyhow I got all honda prices from the website honda.com. When I was buying my car I did the same thing with a toyota prius I think just to see if I can REALY save money on gas or not. It turned out I could not. Anyhow if I'm wrong in something here please let me know. Cuz I'm all about saving energy and I really want a hybrid[well actually a fuel cell vehicle would be even better ;-)] I just can't justify spending so much more for it.



cheers

 

[dbleoslow]

One place hybrids are handy are in norther VA (DC area). You get to drive in the HOV lanes even as a single passanger. Anyone who lives in this area knows you can save a buttload of time in the HOV. I take the train so it's not a big deal for me but I'm sure a lot of people can save a lot of time. Time is money you know

 

[wavshrdr]

Originally posted by: dbleoslow
One place hybrids are handy are in norther VA (DC area). You get to drive in the HOV lanes even as a single passanger. Anyone who lives in this area knows you can save a buttload of time in the HOV. I take the train so it's not a big deal for me but I'm sure a lot of people can save a lot of time. Time is money you know

Does this apply to diesel cars as well? If not, then it is disrcimination. My diesel cars have gotten much better mileage than almost any hybrid on the highway. If you figure passenger miles per gallon they even exceed the Insight thanks to its whopping 2 person capacity. Not to mention diesel IS a renewable resource AND you can recover the cost differential much more quickly than with a hybrid. Plus a turbo-diesel can be quite fun to drive!

Hondas are pretty nice vehicles even if they most of them have the soul of a marshmallow. They make great appliances. At least the S2000 has some character. I ended up with an Acura instead of a Honda just because I couldn't stand the bland styling of the Accord and the Acura was more fun to drive. Still 0% isn't bad. If It would apply to bikes a nice VTX18000 could be fun!

 

[RU482]

Originally posted by: smithdj

I have yet to see a hybrid that gets 50+ with the exception of the Honda Insight. Almost all tests show mid 40's mpg. ...

Bah, a coworker and I took a business trip in a Prius a few years ago. I drove on the way there, he drove on the way back. We were in a bit of a hurry on the way there.

I wound up getting 49MPG (driving ~70-75 most of the way)
He got 55MPG on the way back

This was a 5 hour round trip, 1/2 4 lane, 1/2 2 lane. From central to southern Indiana.

 

[RideFree]

Originally posted by: redly1

Originally posted by: smithdj
I wound up getting 49MPG (driving ~70-75 most of the way)
He got 55MPG on the way back

This was a 5 hour round trip, 1/2 4 lane, 1/2 2 lane. From central to southern Indiana.

This is not actually a long enough trip to verify the accuracy of your mileage figures. They would easily be skewed by ambient temperatures & several other factors.

However, they would have probably been 2½ times my 5.3 Silverado which pretty consistently gets 20/mpg at 80mph.

 

[dbleoslow]

Originally posted by: wavshrdr

Originally posted by: dbleoslow
One place hybrids are handy are in norther VA (DC area). You get to drive in the HOV lanes even as a single passanger. Anyone who lives in this area knows you can save a buttload of time in the HOV. I take the train so it's not a big deal for me but I'm sure a lot of people can save a lot of time. Time is money you know

Does this apply to diesel cars as well? If not, then it is disrcimination. My diesel cars have gotten much better mileage than almost any hybrid on the highway. If you figure passenger miles per gallon they even exceed the Insight thanks to its whopping 2 person capacity. Not to mention diesel IS a renewable resource AND you can recover the cost differential much more quickly than with a hybrid. Plus a turbo-diesel can be quite fun to drive!

Hondas are pretty nice vehicles even if they most of them have the soul of a marshmallow. They make great appliances. At least the S2000 has some character. I ended up with an Acura instead of a Honda just because I couldn't stand the bland styling of the Accord and the Acura was more fun to drive. Still 0% isn't bad. If It would apply to bikes a nice VTX18000 could be fun!

It's only the hybrids...no diesel. I just read an article recently somewhere that now there are complaints that the HOVs are getting too crowded due to all the hybrids. The law expires in 2006 and I don't think it should get renewed. The whole idea of HOV is to get cars off the road. My Acura TSX gets ~32-34 highway so I'm happy with that. I'm unhappy that it requires super unleaded though. It kinda cancels out the money I save on better gas mileage. Oh the dilemas of trying to save the planet.

 

[ondarkness]

Originally posted by: Washoe
Isn't there a plan to slash the tax break on Hybrids soon?

Yea, I read it on some .gov site.
I think next year it gets slashed, and then abolished.
woot~

 

[Banana]

Originally posted by: ondarkness

Originally posted by: Washoe
Isn't there a plan to slash the tax break on Hybrids soon?

Yea, I read it on some .gov site.
I think next year it gets slashed, and then abolished.
woot~

Yeah, I believe it's $2000 this yr, and $600 for 2006.

 

[luddy1]

Plus what about the cost of replacing the battery system when it dies?

 

[luddy1]

Originally posted by: Dark Jedi
At the end of the month from May 26 to June 1 there will be 0% APR for 36 months on every Honda model.

So if your planning on buying a new car, might be worth it to wait a week.

How come I don't see this offer on Honda's site?

 

[importdistributors]

Originally posted by: Washoe
Isn't there a plan to slash the tax break on Hybrids soon?

Yup, by 2007 the tax break will be 0 dollars!

 

[gluck]

where's the 0% ?

 

[JammingJay]

As a quick note, Accord Hybrids:

5-Speed Automatic Transmission (City/Highway) 29 / 37 Estimate according to Honda's website.

5-Speed Automatic Transmission (City/Highway) 21 / 30 Estimate according to Honda's wesbite for a regular V-6 Accord

 

[cHeeZeFacTory]

Originally posted by: gvayl

Originally posted by: klingsor
Not true. I've owned a hybrid for 5 years now and have kept pretty detailed records. With the tax break (for buying this technology), the fuel savings (60-70mpg), effortless emissions certifications, and a clear conscience (priceless); the hybrid has been a good decision on many fronts. Not to mention that when I first got it, hybrids were so rare that it got a good amount of attention, saving me lots of money on drinks

Originally posted by: gvayl
You still won't make up the savings in gass for the $$$ that the Hybrid costs over the regular.

Ok klingsor.
Lets do the math.
Lets take your basic Honda Accord. The cheapest regular model is the DX for $16,295. The cheapest hybrid is: $30,140. Ok, to be fair lets take the average gas accord model and compare that one to the hybrid: 23,950 for the LX V-6. So the difference is 6190. Now lets say you will drive the card for 5 years. That means per year you will need to save 1238, or $103/month just to break even. Now about tax breaks...first of all I live in Indiana and I don't think we have tax breaks for hybrids. I may be wrong. Also I don't know how much you can get for a tax break. Lets assume you get $2000 cash back. Still you will have to save $69/month on gas.

Hybirds do what...about twice as much as the regular ones? So if a car has 25mpg hybrid does 50mpg? Anyhow I spend about $70/month on my elantra which claims 30mpg. If I get a hybrid that is twice as efficient I will save at most $35/month which is half as much as what I should be saving to break even on my hybrid in 5 years.

I will have to drive this car for 10 years before I begin saving money on gas!

Anyhow I got all honda prices from the website honda.com. When I was buying my car I did the same thing with a toyota prius I think just to see if I can REALY save money on gas or not. It turned out I could not. Anyhow if I'm wrong in something here please let me know. Cuz I'm all about saving energy and I really want a hybrid[well actually a fuel cell vehicle would be even better ;-)] I just can't justify spending so much more for it.



cheers

the difference is not really $6k. The accord hybrid is basically a fully loaded EX-V6. Also a hybrid is a good idea if you live in the metro cities like So Cal.

 

[klingsor]

For me, it is about more than a matter of medium-term personal economics. And the benefit of getting off petroleum gets very complex over longer terms and larger scales.

I own the Insight (it was the only mass-produced hybrid available 5 years ago), which gets anywhere between 55-70mpg, so my savings are significantly better than your math shows. And though I enjoy the economic benifit of the car, I primarily bought it because I think that we are in desperate need of a shift from petroleum.

We fight wars for it, wreck nature for it, pay through the nose for it, can't keep our necks out of other peoples business (Venezuela/Chavez) because of it, hire Presidents and Vice Presidents that made their money from (and are beholden to) it, etc.

And a handfull of cities are starting HOV lanes for hybrid cars

We can do better, and it is time. And the price of hybrids will drop as more people buy them. And I like trees, and lakes, and fresh air, and such.

Originally posted by: smithdj

I have yet to see a hybrid that gets 50+ with the exception of the Honda Insight. Almost all tests show mid 40's mpg. That being said the average person drives 15,000 miles per year and gas being an average of about $2.10 = (15k/45mpg=333gallons) = $699 per year with a hybrid. A plain civic will get about $2.10= (15k/33mpg=454gallons) = $954 per year. So you owned your car for 5 years and saved $255 per year = $1275 plus the original $1,500 tax credit makes your savings a total of $2775. The hybrid cost difference is about $5000, so how could you make up for the price difference? I am not knocking hybrids, but their price premium is more than you will save over the course of 5 years.
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[DaCurryman]

Originally posted by: klingsor
For me, it is about more than a matter of medium-term personal economics. And the benefit of getting off petroleum gets very complex over longer terms and larger scales.

I own the Insight (it was the only mass-produced hybrid available 5 years ago), which gets anywhere between 55-70mpg, so my savings are significantly better than your math shows. And though I enjoy the economic benifit of the car, I primarily bought it because I think that we are in desperate need of a shift from petroleum.

We fight wars for it, wreck nature for it, pay through the nose for it, can't keep our necks out of other peoples business (Venezuela/Chavez) because of it, hire Presidents and Vice Presidents that made their money from (and are beholden to) it, etc.

And a handfull of cities are starting HOV lanes for hybrid cars

We can do better, and it is time. And the price of hybrids will drop as more people buy them. And I like trees, and lakes, and fresh air, and such.

That is quite noble and respectable.

 

[breweyez]

Originally posted by: DaCurryman

Originally posted by: klingsor
For me, it is about more than a matter of medium-term personal economics. And the benefit of getting off petroleum gets very complex over longer terms and larger scales.

I own the Insight (it was the only mass-produced hybrid available 5 years ago), which gets anywhere between 55-70mpg, so my savings are significantly better than your math shows. And though I enjoy the economic benifit of the car, I primarily bought it because I think that we are in desperate need of a shift from petroleum.

We fight wars for it, wreck nature for it, pay through the nose for it, can't keep our necks out of other peoples business (Venezuela/Chavez) because of it, hire Presidents and Vice Presidents that made their money from (and are beholden to) it, etc.

And a handfull of cities are starting HOV lanes for hybrid cars

We can do better, and it is time. And the price of hybrids will drop as more people buy them. And I like trees, and lakes, and fresh air, and such.

That is quite noble and respectable.

not 100% respectable...pushing your political views I simply cant respect. But I will be looking at a toyota hybrid as my next car.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

It's pretty likely that Congress will renew the hybrid credits:
2005 ($2000)
2006 ($500)
2007 (nada)

If you live in a state with intelligent government (granted that's not many), you can recoup anywhere from $500-2000 by buying a hybrid.

I expect within the next few years we will have two tiers of hybrid deductions:
1) Hybrids (or any vehicle) getting 40mpg+ or 100% increase in mileage compared to dino fuel only equivalent will get a full subsidy.
2) Hybrids (or any vehicle) getting 35mpg or 50% increase in mileage compared to dino fuel only equivalent will get a half subsidy.

In essence, legislation designed to encourage manufacturers AND consumers.

 

[wavshrdr]

Since we are still falling off topic I thought I would just add a little fuel to the fire. The Honda Insight gets pretty good mileage ~70mpg on the highway. By comparison my diesel Passat get ~60mpg hwy. and my diesel Beetle gets ~49mpg hwy. (not as aerodynamic as the Passat or any other diesel VW save their vans of SUVs). My Passat carries 5 people and my Beetle 4. Passenger miles per gallon (PMG) (MPG x # seats) for the Insight is 140, Passat = 300 and Beetle = approx 200. I have a diesel Excursion and while it gets only 28MPG on the highway it?s PMG is 196.

So if a hybrid (even an Insight) carrying only 1 person using the HOV in lane is using up resources much more quickly than my Beetle carrying 2 people. Why not open up the HOV lanes then to most diesels as they can very nearly match the efficiency of hybrids PLUS they CAN use a renewable resource (biodiesel made from soy or even french-fry oil)?

Not to generate into an OT discussion but all of you who lament the need for war in the middle-East don?t forget that we (as the US) are not the ones driving up the oil prices in the world! It is the demand from China! Also that while vehicles use a large portion of fuel a huge part is used in the manufacturing of many materials such as plastics.

Furthermore we do need a lot of oil just for the defense of the country in all the military aircraft, boats, tanks, etc. Last time I looked aircraft don?t perform too well on electric power alone. Even when you use an electric vehicle the power isn?t free. It comes from somewhere. You typically have either coal-fired plants, oil burning plants (ooohhh, there is that nasty middle-East crude again and the need for it rearing it?s ugly head) or heaven forbid that nasty atomic energy plant that no-one seems to want. Hydro-electric is useful in some areas of the US as is wind but there still contribute a very small percentage of our overall power and some is always complaining about something with respect to them. The water turbines shredded fish or some idiot bird ran into one of the propeller blades, etc.

So if you are really energy conservation freak, you should be driving a diesel. Get over your feel good I am doing something good for the Earth mentality and actual make a difference. By a car with a renewable resource such as a diesel and make a difference!

Honda has diesels for the rest of the world but not the US. Go ask Honda why not here?

Another downside to hybrids is the cost of the battery replacements! Very expensive! Hybrids suck in the cold, I drove one and they are much less efficient. What are you going to do with the battery pack when you need to replace them and I am not talking about cost either. Most battery packs have very poisonous chemical composition so if enough of you start driving them then recycling them and/or their waste disposal becomes and issues as toxic as what do you do with the spent nuclear rods? Hybrids are not cost effective?yet.

Maybe they will never be or maybe it will take a long time. A hybrid would be more efficient if it coupled a diesel motor with the electric packs but there are still issues yet with hybrids in general. There highway mileage is better than their gas counterparts but often not as good as diesel in the same platform. Diesels can be much more fun to drive from a performance standpoint too than a hybrid and they will run for many more miles.

So unless China lessens its demand for oil, we will continue to see rising fuel prices. Even if we do everything we can to reduce our need for oil we can never eliminate the need for it. China's thirst for oil has supposedly outstripped the US' so we will continue to see rising fuel costs. So to some extent no matter what we do with our vehicles efficiency, we will no longer be the biggest factor in the demand for dino juice.

How about 0% on a US Honda diesel?

 

[klingsor]

1. Biodiesel... right, when was the last time you personally filled up with bio-diesel? That is about as much a reality as fuel cells.
2. Comparing batteries to nulear rods is just silly.
3. Diesels stink, not figuatively, just literally.
4. Diesel isn't a bad option. Thier engines have a long life. Some cars have run for 500,000 miles on a diesel engine.
5. It's ok to talk about your political views. Actually it is more than ok, it is the foundation of a healthy democracy.