007; "Diamonds are Forever"

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Nik
Who fvcking cares? Does it matter? Why the fvck does everything have to be about homosexuality or heterosexuality? Who freakin gives a crap.

</PMS>

What are you? Some kind of twinkle-toed fairy?!

No, he is Uncle Fester the angry disenfranchised gnome.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
one of the "Bond girls" wasn't a female.

:Q

Try here for info

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: PorBleemo
Diamonds are Forever is quite possibly the worst Bond movie to date.

**Unoficially** Never Say Never Again was the worst

But Largo had so many good quotes.

Drinks Water
"Sweet... Like Money."

That and the entire Video Game battle always gets a grin out of me.

 

[Tylanner]

/007 2cents

I love Roger Moore.

I hate Dalton, But I kinda liked the Cello girl.

Goldeneye was ridiculously awesome.

I could watch every single one over and over and over again..

/007 2cents

there are way to many bond threads

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: So
1. Yes
2. Never Say Never again was not a REAL bond movie. The 007 producers and staff had nothing to do with it. It's too long to go into here, but it is legally considered a remake of thunderball
3. Diamonds is FAR from the worst 007 movie. That goes to the cowpie of a film: 1985's A View To A Kill

1) OK
2) I know, that's why I said "unofficially"
3) Agreed

4) Whoever dissed OHMSS is a tool. Easily one of my favs. It was a Bond epic

 

[thomsbrain]

yes, this was pretty clear. listen to the way they talk, the way they act, etc. clearly gay.

it should be noted that they were NOT in the book, and in fact, that ENTIRE movie has NOTHING to do with the book. some of the other movies were much closer.

 

[Jittles]

Wasn't there a line in there that was something to the effect of:

"That T. Case sure is good, and good looking too.... for a girl." <two dudes staring at each other>

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: PorBleemo
Diamonds are Forever is quite possibly the worst Bond movie to date.

Not even close. Aside from Goldeneye, all of Brosnan's have been awful. The ones with Dalton (The Living Daylights) and Lazenby (On Her Majesty's Secret Service) -- utter garbage.

Dalton got a bad script...

I think Bronsnan is a good actor.. but the writing has just been pure sh!t.. but thats because there is no cold war to base the fiction on.

If they were smart about it, they'd make the China the new 'enemy' of 007, as they are the up and coming power in the world.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: So
1. Yes
2. Never Say Never again was not a REAL bond movie. The 007 producers and staff had nothing to do with it. It's too long to go into here, but it is legally considered a remake of thunderball
3. Diamonds is FAR from the worst 007 movie. That goes to the cowpie of a film: 1985's A View To A Kill

1) OK
2) I know, that's why I said "unofficially"
3) Agreed

4) Whoever dissed OHMSS is a tool. Easily one of my favs. It was a Bond epic

OHMSS is a terrible movie. The plot was bad, it was riddled with holes (almost as bad as AVTAK) and the directing was abysmal.

1. Blofeld doesn't recognize Bond when he arrives at his hideout. Why? Because he wears a clever disguise: fake glasses!
2. Blofeld threatens to poison the world's crops...what does he want in order to not commit this heinous act? To be given the title of Count! Oh no! Once he has tht title of count, no goverment could ever attack his hideaway with marines and put him in prison!
3. Just TRY to watch the fight scenes. Look at all the unnecessary and confusing cuts...you can't tell what's going on. It's abysmally shot. It has okay moments, but the director spends most of his time trying to confuse the audience. Compare that to You Only Live Twice, which has BEAUTIFUL cinematography, conveying a sense of space and awareness to the viewer, even in tight spots.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: So
1. Yes
2. Never Say Never again was not a REAL bond movie. The 007 producers and staff had nothing to do with it. It's too long to go into here, but it is legally considered a remake of thunderball
3. Diamonds is FAR from the worst 007 movie. That goes to the cowpie of a film: 1985's A View To A Kill

1) OK
2) I know, that's why I said "unofficially"
3) Agreed

4) Whoever dissed OHMSS is a tool. Easily one of my favs. It was a Bond epic

OHMSS is a terrible movie. The plot was bad, it was riddled with holes (almost as bad as AVTAK) and the directing was abysmal.

1. Blofeld doesn't recognize Bond when he arrives at his hideout. Why? Because he wears a clever disguise: fake glasses!
2. Blofeld threatens to poison the world's crops...what does he want in order to not commit this heinous act? To be given the title of Count! Oh no! Once he has tht title of count, no goverment could ever attack his hideaway with marines and put him in prison!
3. Just TRY to watch the fight scenes. Look at all the unnecessary and confusing cuts...you can't tell what's going on. It's abysmally shot. It has okay moments, but the director spends most of his time trying to confuse the audience. Compare that to You Only Live Twice, which has BEAUTIFUL cinematography, conveying a sense of space and awareness to the viewer, even in tight spots.

You're talking about plot holes and phony fight sequences? Check out the fight sequences and fake punches in ANY of the Connery flicks. It's gawd awful (including my fav Connery flick, Thunderball).

But no one goes to watch a Bond film expecting a a Shakespeare work. You watch it to be entertained and for the chicks, cars and gadgets.

Bitching about the plot holes and cinematography in a Bond flick is like going to Hooters and expecting the waitresses to be able to conjugate verbs and perform quadratic equations in their head.

 

[junkerman123]

there were only 3 crappy bond movies ever made:

a view to a kill
live and let die
die another day

the rest of them were good or awesome. diamonds are forever is one of the best bond flicks. and yes kidd and wint were gay

 

[So]

Originally posted by: NFS4
You're talking about plot holes and phony fight sequences? Check out the fight sequences and fake punches in ANY of the Connery flicks. It's gawd awful (including my fav Connery flick, Thunderball).

But no one goes to watch a Bond film expecting a a Shakespeare work. You watch it to be entertained and for the chicks, cars and gadgets.

Bitching about the plot holes and cinematography in a Bond flick is like going to Hooters and expecting the waitresses to be able to conjugate verbs and perform quadratic equations in their head.

No, I'm not talking about the fake punches, I'm talking about the cinematography, it's unserviceable in OHMSS. I'm willing to forgive plot silliness, but if I can't tell who's fighting who, it's abysmal.

Watch one of the better filmed 007 movies (like YOLT, Thunberball, etc) and you'll see how much less confusing the fighting is. In OHMSS, they cut from one shot, to THE SAME SHOT, 2 seconds later. It makes you feel like you're having seizures.

 

[Saint Nick]

yeah they were.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: junkerman123
there were only 3 crappy bond movies ever made:

a view to a kill
live and let die
die another day

the rest of them were good or awesome. diamonds are forever is one of the best bond flicks. and yes kidd and wint were gay

You are saying Tomorrow Never Dies was good?

 

[junkerman123]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: junkerman123
there were only 3 crappy bond movies ever made:

a view to a kill
live and let die
die another day

the rest of them were good or awesome. diamonds are forever is one of the best bond flicks. and yes kidd and wint were gay

You are saying Tomorrow Never Dies was good?

the plot was awful, but the styling and action was good. I don't mind watching tomorrow never dies, and watch it when i see it on tv.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: junkerman123
there were only 3 crappy bond movies ever made:

a view to a kill
live and let die
die another day

the rest of them were good or awesome. diamonds are forever is one of the best bond flicks. and yes kidd and wint were gay

You are saying Tomorrow Never Dies was good?

It was. I was action-y for a 007 movie, but there was nothing WRONG with it. The villain's plot was among the most plausible of any 007 movie, the villain was colorful. What was so bad?

 

[junkerman123]

i don't know about the plot being plausible, it was somewhat ridiculous. but it was a good bond movie I thought

 

[So]

Originally posted by: junkerman123
i don't know about the plot being plausible, it was somewhat ridiculous. but it was a good bond movie I thought

A media mogul manipulating the news for profit? A corrupt Chinese general? The two colluding for mutual benefit? Sounds pretty plausible to me.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: junkerman123
there were only 3 crappy bond movies ever made:

a view to a kill
live and let die
die another day

the rest of them were good or awesome. diamonds are forever is one of the best bond flicks. and yes kidd and wint were gay

You are saying Tomorrow Never Dies was good?

It was. I was action-y for a 007 movie, but there was nothing WRONG with it. The villain's plot was among the most plausible of any 007 movie, the villain was colorful. What was so bad?

My problems with it:

A) It takes more than a plausible plot for it to be a good movie.
2) Michelle Yeoh. She does not fit into the "Bond Girl" role which is essential to a Bond movie. Half the time she was doing better than Bond was. Made me think I was watching a Kung-Fu flick instead of a Bond movie.
C) It was a good action movie, but it just didnt have the feel of a Bond movie at all.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: junkerman123
there were only 3 crappy bond movies ever made:

a view to a kill
live and let die
die another day

the rest of them were good or awesome. diamonds are forever is one of the best bond flicks. and yes kidd and wint were gay

You are saying Tomorrow Never Dies was good?

It was. I was action-y for a 007 movie, but there was nothing WRONG with it. The villain's plot was among the most plausible of any 007 movie, the villain was colorful. What was so bad?

My problems with it:

A) It takes more than a plausible plot for it to be a good movie.
2) Michelle Yeoh. She does not fit into the "Bond Girl" role which is essential to a Bond movie. Half the time she was doing better than Bond was. Made me think I was watching a Kung-Fu flick instead of a Bond movie.
C) It was a good action movie, but it just didnt have the feel of a Bond movie at all.

So, your complaint is that there was too much action? That's valid, but it is far from making it a bad bond movie. They can't ALL be the same, and this one leaned more towards action. They clearly went in the other direction in the next film (TWINE). Certianly it's not a bad 007 film when compared to some of the others.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: junkerman123
there were only 3 crappy bond movies ever made:

a view to a kill
live and let die
die another day

the rest of them were good or awesome. diamonds are forever is one of the best bond flicks. and yes kidd and wint were gay

You are saying Tomorrow Never Dies was good?

It was. I was action-y for a 007 movie, but there was nothing WRONG with it. The villain's plot was among the most plausible of any 007 movie, the villain was colorful. What was so bad?

My problems with it:

A) It takes more than a plausible plot for it to be a good movie.
2) Michelle Yeoh. She does not fit into the "Bond Girl" role which is essential to a Bond movie. Half the time she was doing better than Bond was. Made me think I was watching a Kung-Fu flick instead of a Bond movie.
C) It was a good action movie, but it just didnt have the feel of a Bond movie at all.

So, your complaint is that there was too much action? That's valid, but it is far from making it a bad bond movie. They can't ALL be the same, and this one leaned more towards action. They clearly went in the other direction in the next film (TWINE). Certianly it's not a bad 007 film when compared to some of the others.

To each their own.

 

[GreenGhost]

I was blown away by The Spy Who Loved Me. My first Bond movie. By then I never knew cars and women could be so hot. So much more glamorous than my daily life in school. Today I laugh when I see it, but boy, at the time...

 

[TGS]

No mentions for Moonraker.

Nothing funnier than marines popping out of space shuttles armed with lasers.

 

[Dessert Tears]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
yes, this was pretty clear. listen to the way they talk, the way they act, etc. clearly gay.

it should be noted that they were NOT in the book, and in fact, that ENTIRE movie has NOTHING to do with the book. some of the other movies were much closer.

They were characters in the book Diamonds Are Forever and explicitly referred to as homosexuals by another character. I can't comment on the movie.

(what follows is from memory and may not be 100% correct)
Wint is older and has a large reddish wart on his right thumb that he sucks often. He is afraid of travel, in particular airplanes, and has a label on his travelling case that reads "My Blood Type Is [?]" (I don't remember). Kidd is thinner and has prematurely gray hair. They work as "torpedoes" for the ABC diamond smuggling ring. Bond first sees them (unidentified) as fellow passengers on his flight from the UK. They (masked) pour hot mud on the jockey's (Tinker?) face after he throws the fixed horse race. Felix Leiter identifies them from Wint's wart and describes them to Bond (discloses their suspected sexual preference). In Las Vegas, they stomp Bond ("an eighty-percenter") after he is captured with football cleats. They kidnap Tiffany Case aboard the cruise ship and are confronted by Bond. Bond shoots them both (Wint hits Bond with a throwing knife), dumps Kidd's body out the porthole, and arranges Wint to look like a murder/suicide brought on by a row over cards.

 

[Spook]

Who was your favorite sub-villian of the bond movies? Odd-Job, Jaws... and the like...

My favorite was Jaws with those teeth #)