1. 2. 3. 4. Trump declares a trade war.

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HomerJS

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I thought he was using the tariffs to make them renegotiate NAFTA?

Is there literally anyone he tries negotiating with who doesn’t roll him?
Actually President Dummy just started a trade war but is exempting Canada and Mexico. Congrats stupid, you just reinvented NAFTA.
 

bshole

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No he doesn't because he doesn't understand jack shit. We can piss and moan about China forcing companies to have to partner with Chinese companies to sell and produce stuff there, but they have a good reason for doing that (lots of western corporations were raiding Asian countries to exploit their workers so they could boost their profit margins, China is just saying ok if you're gonna do that shit you're gonna have to do something for us; essentially they gave their IP theft legitimacy). They're not locked out, but they have to work deals (just like they had to do to get into the US markets, something people also ignore). The US had a lot of partnerships with Japanese companies due to WWII. Sega for instance was actually a partnership that started out of importing arcade type of games (back before arcades really existed, think it predated even like pinball games) for US servicemen in Japan. We profited massively post WWII (which is why all the bitching and moaning that we haven't kept pace with that level of surplus is stupid because it fundamentally ignores the advantage we had for a few decades there).

Japanese and German car companies actually have a lot of production in the US. BMW is the largest automotive exporter in the US (meaning exporting cars made in the US). Things will change though (Ford has already announced big changes, think the Focus is going to be made in Europe next gen and then exported all over the world, the Fusion might be killed or is going to be made in China and not even sold in the US), because, get this, the world is changing. If we throw tantrums and don't work with other countries and actively sabotage trade deals, we're going to be the ones that get fucked. The days of us being able to force trade deals that mainly benefit us are over and there's reasons that have nothing to do with some nefarious plot to undermine America. Its because the world has developed and has been stabilizing and been building itself up a lot. Because, unsurprisingly, cutting down on major wars has helped bring peace and stability. But seems that people want to blow that all to hell so they can help some of the wealthiest countries pad their pockets a bit more.

Too many people in the US are fucking idiots and don't seem to realize how much of the developments we claim we hijacked from others (hello Nazi engineers that literally were the reason we won the space race), or were collaborations (often done by people more interested in development for humankind and not any nationality; hell many were just nerds that wanted to do cool stuff, the US just had certain things that made it appealing, one of which was political stability and government that wanted them there, something that has been changing for the worse for that). That's not marginalizing the US's role in it, its just being rational about why things went the way it did. And yet we have politicians ignoring that and wanting to do exactly the type of thing that pushes those people away.

Many of them were very high level scientific education institution advancements, something that Republicans have been outright condemning for a few decades now (not all of them, but there's been a general movement within them on this, and they're now openly spouting that type of rhetoric; the great irony is them condemning "liberal elite" while the conservative elite pillage the country every other decade). And a lot of others came from research groups that corporations let tinker away (Bell Labs, Xerox PARC), only now so they can maximize shareholder profits (because if they don't then they break the companies apart) many corporations have done away with that type of stuff or at least massively scaled it back (there's a reason why Google is tied to so much of that type of stuff now, because they're one of the few still doing it on anything more than a fluff level). That's why we're starting to lose our advantages. Its exactly the type of Capitalism spouted by Republicans and Turmp that is doing the shit that they're blaming on other things. And they refuse to see it.

Fuck man, that is publish worthy level analysis..... certainly better than any analysis I have ever read on Fox News.
 

fleshconsumed

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Well, I guess it should have been expected Trump is as stupid as he is stubborn. He signed an order. Jeff Flake is rumored to introduce a bill nullifying the tariffs.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43337951

What a shit show. Sigh... I wonder how much the markets will drop tomorrow. I keep thinking if I need to pull my money out or not.
 
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Well, I guess it should have been expected Trump is as stupid as he is stubborn. He signed an order. Jeff Flake is rumored to introduce a bill nullifying the tariffs.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43337951

What a shit show. Sigh... I wonder how much the markets will drop tomorrow. I keep thinking if I need to pull my money out or not.
Who knows, maybe Congress will put on its big-people pants and realize that they are a co-equal branch of government who also has the power to drive policy instead of just licking Trump's shoes.
 

fleshconsumed

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Who knows, maybe Congress will put on its big-people pants and realize that they are a co-equal branch of government who also has the power to drive policy instead of just licking Trump's shoes.
So long as 40% of population along with wealthy donors support Trump they're going to get along just fine. There will be occasional minor squabble here and there, but nothing worth breaking up over. I don't think wealthy are too thrilled about tariffs, but I don't think that alone is enough to turn them against Trump. When it's all over GOP just won't mention Trump ever again, he'll be forgotten just like Bush W, out of sight out of mind. If asked they'll just say they had to make tough decisions in order to keep democrats and Hillary the Terrible out of the office. The millennial democratic wave cannot come soon enough. I'm not too thrilled about any single party having majority power for long periods of time, even if it's going to be democratic, but I think that's the only thing that might reform GOP back into what it used to be 70 years ago.
 
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