Originally posted by: cwjerome
We had the moral right to invade,/q]
foreign policy isn't a philosophical theory class.
but I'm confident history will prove them wrong.
Originally posted by: conjur
Moral right to invade? WTF?
Uh....WMDs? Where are they?
Those were the sole justification given for the invasion. Why do you chickenhawks keep forgetting that?
Did Iraq have a moral right to invade Kuwait?Originally posted by: cwjerome
We had the moral right to invade.
Here comes Mr. Obfuscation to rewrite history.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Moral right to invade? WTF?
Uh....WMDs? Where are they?
Those were the sole justification given for the invasion. Why do you chickenhawks keep forgetting that?
There was nothing to forget. You and others seem to be obsessed with the idea that WMDs were the only justification for acting against Saddam. That would be factually incorrect as shown by legislation passed giving President Bush the authority to use force as he saw fit.
But hey - keep telling yourself whatever you wish...
CsG
Originally posted by: Infohawk
How convenient that Bush stuffed so many casualties into the period AFTER the election...
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Moral right to invade? WTF?
Uh....WMDs? Where are they?
Those were the sole justification given for the invasion. Why do you chickenhawks keep forgetting that?
There was nothing to forget. You and others seem to be obsessed with the idea that WMDs were the only justification for acting against Saddam. That would be factually incorrect as shown by legislation passed giving President Bush the authority to use force as he saw fit.
But hey - keep telling yourself whatever you wish...
CsG
Fine.Originally posted by: freakflag
Originally posted by: Infohawk
How convenient that Bush stuffed so many casualties into the period AFTER the election...
Tell it to Margaret Hasan . It seems the F-ING BEHEADINGS have begun to add up as well. Notice, I referenced Al-Jazeera so you neo-socialist hate mongers would believe it. Lord knows, if it comes from CNN, MSNBC, or Fox news it's all a big lie.
It seems that you leftists would rather we just left Iraq to these same savages, right? That's what you want, isn't it? For the US to just stop the "illegal occupation" and leave, right?
Maybe you all have a better idea? I'd like to hear it.
Spell it out for me, right here, right now.
Originally posted by: conjur
Fine.Originally posted by: freakflag
Originally posted by: Infohawk
How convenient that Bush stuffed so many casualties into the period AFTER the election...
Tell it to Margaret Hasan . It seems the F-ING BEHEADINGS have begun to add up as well. Notice, I referenced Al-Jazeera so you neo-socialist hate mongers would believe it. Lord knows, if it comes from CNN, MSNBC, or Fox news it's all a big lie.
It seems that you leftists would rather we just left Iraq to these same savages, right? That's what you want, isn't it? For the US to just stop the "illegal occupation" and leave, right?
Maybe you all have a better idea? I'd like to hear it.
Spell it out for me, right here, right now.
Y-o-u...a-r-e...a...t-r-o-l-l.
Originally posted by: freakflag
Originally posted by: Infohawk
How convenient that Bush stuffed so many casualties into the period AFTER the election...
Tell it to Margaret Hasan . It seems the F-ING BEHEADINGS have begun to add up as well. Notice, I referenced Al-Jazeera so you neo-socialist hate mongers would believe it. Lord knows, if it comes from CNN, MSNBC, or Fox news it's all a big lie.
It seems that you leftists would rather we just left Iraq to these same savages, right? That's what you want, isn't it? For the US to just stop the "illegal occupation" and leave, right?
Maybe you all have a better idea? I'd like to hear it.
Spell it out for me, right here, right now.
Is that the one where Bush suggests Iraq is tied to the 9/11 attacks? You are correct, they didn't sell it exclusively on the WMD lie. They also sold it on the Iraq-9/11 lie. Then there was the welcome-us-with-flowers lie, the work-with-the-U.N. lie, and the huge-coalition lie. Some of us care about lies, especially when people are dying because of them.Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Moral right to invade? WTF?
Uh....WMDs? Where are they?
Those were the sole justification given for the invasion. Why do you chickenhawks keep forgetting that?
There was nothing to forget. You and others seem to be obsessed with the idea that WMDs were the only justification for acting against Saddam. That would be factually incorrect as shown by legislation passed giving President Bush the authority to use force as he saw fit.
But hey - keep telling yourself whatever you wish...
CsG
Pity that's not the reason they used to sell the war to America. Any long-term good that may come from our invasion is irreparably tainted by the lies used to justify it. The end does NOT justify the means.Originally posted by: cwjerome
[ ... ]
Many people like me see the value in changing the landscape of the Middle East, and the good that can come of it long-run. We had the moral right to invade, and it's what's best for this country and the world. And many people like me will offer our immense gratitude and respect for our military men and women who are doing a spectacular job in a most noble endeavor. ...
Originally posted by: BBond
Iraq coalition casuality count.
November Ranks 2nd in U.S. Deaths in Iraq.
Originally posted by: cwjerome
We have the moral right to take out any dictatorship, slave pen, or rogue state there is. But a huge distinction is we don't have the DUTY to take them out. Whether we do or not should depend on our national interests, not of respect for the non-existent "rights" of gang rulers and thugs. Me and many other believe Iraq was in our national interest.
So spare me the dungheap of relativist jargon about "rights" and "soveriegn nation" BS. Ascribing "freedom" to a country that hasn't a clue as what freedom even is obliterates the moral meaning of the term.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Moral right to invade? WTF?
Uh....WMDs? Where are they?
Those were the sole justification given for the invasion. Why do you chickenhawks keep forgetting that?
There was nothing to forget. You and others seem to be obsessed with the idea that WMDs were the only justification for acting against Saddam. That would be factually incorrect as shown by legislation passed giving President Bush the authority to use force as he saw fit.
But hey - keep telling yourself whatever you wish...
CsG
Thought control seems to be working very well on you sir.
Originally posted by: skyking
Originally posted by: freakflag
Originally posted by: Infohawk
How convenient that Bush stuffed so many casualties into the period AFTER the election...
Tell it to Margaret Hasan . It seems the F-ING BEHEADINGS have begun to add up as well. Notice, I referenced Al-Jazeera so you neo-socialist hate mongers would believe it. Lord knows, if it comes from CNN, MSNBC, or Fox news it's all a big lie.
It seems that you leftists would rather we just left Iraq to these same savages, right? That's what you want, isn't it? For the US to just stop the "illegal occupation" and leave, right?
Maybe you all have a better idea? I'd like to hear it.
Spell it out for me, right here, right now.
She had lived there for 30 years with Saddam in power, yet was able to help the people. Saddam is removed, the country is lawless, and she gets killed. Isn't it ironic?
What if someone decides that our government is a "rouge state", which argueably we are. Do they have a moral right to "take us out?"Originally posted by: cwjerome
We have the moral right to take out any dictatorship, slave pen, or rogue state there is. But a huge distinction is we don't have the DUTY to take them out. Whether we do or not should depend on our national interests, not of respect for the non-existent "rights" of gang rulers and thugs. Me and many other believe Iraq was in our national interest.
But a huge distinction is we don't have the DUTY to take them out. Whether we do or not should depend on our national interests, not of respect for the non-existent "rights" of gang rulers and thugs. Me and many other believe Iraq was in our national interest.
What I said that you don't have a clue what freedom is?So spare me the dungheap of relativist jargon about "rights" and "soveriegn nation" BS. Ascribing "freedom" to a country that hasn't a clue as what freedom even is obliterates the moral meaning of the term.
What saddens everyone else is that *I'm* correct.Originally posted by: freakflag
That's precisely what I thought your "answer" would be. It saddens me that I was correct.Originally posted by: conjur
Fine.Originally posted by: freakflag
Tell it to Margaret Hasan . It seems the F-ING BEHEADINGS have begun to add up as well. Notice, I referenced Al-Jazeera so you neo-socialist hate mongers would believe it. Lord knows, if it comes from CNN, MSNBC, or Fox news it's all a big lie.Originally posted by: Infohawk
How convenient that Bush stuffed so many casualties into the period AFTER the election...
It seems that you leftists would rather we just left Iraq to these same savages, right? That's what you want, isn't it? For the US to just stop the "illegal occupation" and leave, right?
Maybe you all have a better idea? I'd like to hear it.
Spell it out for me, right here, right now.
Y-o-u...a-r-e...a...t-r-o-l-l.