Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
There is no comparison then.
Again, you don't seem to be making the connection. This is about justifications and action taken. Like I said - there were multiple justifications given -some would stand on their own as we've used those justifications to take action before. Bosnia is just one example of it. Granted you can claim the scale is different but it doesn't change the FACT that the justifications have been used to act.
CsG
Yeah, come on, Red Dawn! Don't you know everything is black and white and all comparisons are valid because CsG says so? Wake up and smell the Kool-Aid, Red!
Ah yes - you mean your black/white justification stance? Hmmm....Yeah. You can't accept the fact that WMD was not the "sole" justification. Who's drinking "Kool-Aid"...?
CsG
I Googled for quotes Bush used to justify his unprovoked attack on Iraq. I found an article by John Dean at Findlaw. It contains several quotes from Bush speeches prior to his unnecessary invasion.
If you can find some quotes to support your contention please post them.
Missing Weapons Of Mass Destruction:
Is Lying About The Reason For War An Impeachable Offense?
By JOHN W. DEAN
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Friday, Jun. 06, 2003
President George W. Bush has got a very serious problem. Before asking Congress for a Joint Resolution authorizing the use of American military forces in Iraq, he made a number of unequivocal statements about the reason the United States needed to pursue the most radical actions any nation can undertake - acts of war against another nation.
Now it is clear that many of his statements appear to be false. In the past, Bush's White House has been very good at sweeping ugly issues like this under the carpet, and out of sight. But it is not clear that they will be able to make the question of what happened to Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) go away - unless, perhaps, they start another war.
That seems unlikely. Until the questions surrounding the Iraqi war are answered, Congress and the public may strongly resist more of President Bush's warmaking.
Presidential statements, particularly on matters of national security, are held to an expectation of the highest standard of truthfulness. A president cannot stretch, twist or distort facts and get away with it. President Lyndon Johnson's distortions of the truth about Vietnam forced him to stand down from reelection. President Richard Nixon's false statements about Watergate forced his resignation.
Frankly, I hope the WMDs are found, for it will end the matter. Clearly, the story of the missing WMDs is far from over. And it is too early, of course, to draw conclusions. But it is not too early to explore the relevant issues.
President Bush's Statements On Iraq's Weapons Of Mass Destruction
Readers may not recall exactly what President Bush said about weapons of mass destruction; I certainly didn't. Thus, I have compiled these statements below. In reviewing them, I saw that he had, indeed, been as explicit and declarative as I had recalled.
Bush's statements, in chronological order, were:
"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."
United Nations Address
September 12, 2002
"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."
"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."
Radio Address
October 5, 2002
"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."
"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States."
"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" - his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
October 7, 2002
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003
Dean provides more of his opinions at the link. I am more interested in Bush's quotes which form the bare factual basis that leads the fact based among us to make our claim; Bush misled America to invade Iraq by lying about Saddam's WMD and the grave and gathering threat Saddam projected. Statements which are clearly lies and which were contained the charge Bush told America was the reason we needed to immediately conduct naked aggression against Iraq -- WMD.
Other members of his administration, Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, and Dick Cheney made similar statements as well.
If you have any direct quotes you'd like to share with us, CsG, please do so.