1.2ghz Hammer benches

[EdipisReks]

that was totally incomprehensible.

 

[EdipisReks]

besides, Idoxash, you were the one who presumed to correct me. i simply returned the favor.

 

[Idoxash]

well yes you are right... ya did the same thing to me that I done to you, wow! well it would seem me and you are just setting here waitting for the other to say something again.... I my self is thrue with this. first it's way off subject of the topic. second its even off subject of what me and you started to fuss about. seeyas later.

 

[EdipisReks]

wow, the Homo Neandertalus lives yet. i'll go ahead and call the Peabody museum for you, just in case you can't use the phone. regarding the hammer benchmarks, it would have been nice if the systems had been configured as closely as possible. to me, even if the Pentium IV system was using the 845D chipset, the fact that it has different ram than the Athlon 64 systems invalidates the entire test. proper test methodolgy, to me, requires that both systems use the same exact hardware where applicable. using pc2700 for both platforms would have definitely been applicable.

 

[element]

Maybe they couldn't afford better memory/mobo for the P4 cause they paid so much for the processor.

Maybe they were comparing at similar pricepoints, and not processor/memory speeds.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: element®
Maybe they couldn't afford better memory/mobo for the P4 cause they paid so much for the processor.

Maybe they were comparing at similar pricepoints, and not processor/memory speeds.

i hate to break it to you, but the price difference between generic pc2700 and pc2100 is a few dollars. and how the hell would they be testing at similar pricepoints when you can't buy a Hammer? that is a ridiculous statement. all they had to do (assuming that they actually had both systems, and the numbers aren't just made up) is take the pc2700 out of the Athlon64 box and put it into the P4 box. not hard.

 

[PreDatoR]

does everyone around here have to have a pissing contest over who's d!ck is bigger all the time... buncha fookin' idiots...

 

[BD231]

Originally posted by: motoamd

Originally posted by: Idoxash
"Yeah, I'm in total agreement. Plus they shafted the P4 with PC2100. "


awwwww but but wait look at the p4? is that not so many more mhz more then the athlons???? so really just cause they took the ram down a bit still don't mean nothing the p4 is clock much higher but then again ya ppl keep saying that mhz rules right??? or really deep down ya know that the athlon kicks ass even at a lower mhz??? hehe it all seems a lill fiar.

I would still like to see a fair comparison of the P4. If anyone did that to the Athlon using SDRAM instead of DDR RAM against a P4 with Rambus or Granite Bay chipset w/ DC DDR, I would say the same thing too. I know the Athlon is pretty good, I have owned 3 Athlons systems, and currently using one of those systems.

What's the point when there are sh*t loads of P4 reviews all over the net?

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: formulav8
The Link I pointed to amdzone because they translated the text. He has a link to the original site. Would be nice to see some benches for the released speed though.



Jason

I saw the benchmarks on AMDzone but I have learned to not pay attention to any test results on mysterious, pre-released, or engineering samples. Usually this information is incorrect and misleading. I wait until Tom or Anand test a commercial product before
I getting my knickers in a twist.

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

Originally posted by: PreDatoR
does everyone around here have to have a pissing contest over who's d!ck is bigger all the time... buncha fookin' idiots...

rofl

there is some owage happengin in this thread

btw its impossible to compare a p4 to amd in the sense that they are completely different chipsets
you are comparing chipsets, along with cpus

until they create a board to accept both cpus, they are simply incomparable to each other

i dont feel like restarting after this upgrade that happend to my system, so can anyone tell me if they used the ondie hammer memory controller or the chipset one?

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: PreDatoR
does everyone around here have to have a pissing contest over who's d!ck is bigger all the time... buncha fookin' idiots...

=)

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Idoxash
dude i know what i did and did not do to make that such a nice lill looking sent. this is however not some school class and I do not see fit typing like it either. to me as long as you can read the words and know what the dude is getting at don't worry of it. I and a lot of ppl that read what other says can care less about the marks that is uses.... it's like fancy lill noon sence that is not really needed.

Actually, it takes more effort to understand your posts....

But at least you are not alternating fonts and case.

BTW what does lill mean?

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop
btw its impossible to compare a p4 to amd in the sense that they are completely different chipsets
you are comparing chipsets, along with cpus

You can compare them with VIA chipsets. There is little difference from the VIA P4-compatible and Athlon-compatible chipsets in terms of performance and options.

 

[INTELlectualSuperior]

Originally posted by: Bovinicus
Those are some pretty good looking performance numbers if theHammer is going to debut at around 2GHz. I think my next system wil be Hammer based. Of course, I have to wait and see what it looks like when some more conclusive benchmarks are available.

I wouldn't call that good performance from the Clawhammer. It was matched by a Northwood A at 2.2 ghz (400mhz FSB) that used PC2100 when the Claw had double the amount of L2 cache, a memory controller, PC2700, and the much vaunted hypertransport. It seems to me that the Clawhammer will suffer the same fate as the Willamette core. Unless core revisions are done by the debut of the Clawhammer, the Prescott and maybe even the 800mhz FSB P4 will surpass it. The Hammer architecture is elegant but being pushed from an original 2001 launch to 2003, it is too little, too late. Reminds me of the Merced core...

 

[MadRat]

1.2GHz samples have been around for seven months now. 800MHz samples began to float around over a year ago. Its unlikely those results are relative to production cores.

 

[Bovinicus]

I'm not going to jump to any conclusions. I'm just glad to know that their engineering samples are coming along nicely. =)

 

[DSTA]

Edit: now with *100%* more content :

Agreed that AMD had better hurry with the Hammer (not that they don't know that). PIV on a "800 MHz" bus with HT is way beyond Williamette (and serious inhouse competition for Itanium2).

OTOH the c't benchmarks look promising IMHO. They redid the SPEC test with Intel's brilliant compiler, enabling SSE2 on PIV and Athlon 64 this time. Estimates are that a 2 GHz A64 would score 1274 for both int and float.

Anyway, here's the article (only German, sorry) and here the results.