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himkhan

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Prosecution? Oh wait, he was found innocent/not guilty in the only Senate action that counts.

Oh wait do you mean THIS Senate and THESE Senators (and Reps, too)?


Sen Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said Friday she attributes the violence at the Capitol to Trump, and that, “I want him to resign. I want him out. He has caused enough damage,” even hinting at a defection from the GOP if it continues in its current pro-Trump direction.

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) said in a CBS News interview Friday he “will definitely consider whatever articles [of impeachment]” pass the House of Representatives because Trump has “disregarded his oath of office.”

Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) said in a Fox News interview Saturday that he believes Trump “committed impeachable offenses”.

Rep. Garret Graves (R-La.), a member of the conservative Republican Study Committee, said in a radio interview Friday that Trump should “effectively resign” and “technically [find] a way to hand over the keys to Pence,” while stopping short of advocating his impeachment.

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), an outspoken critic of Trump’s election conspiracy theories, was the first GOP member of Congress to call for Trump’s removal on Thursday, calling Trump “unfit” and “unwell” and urging Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet to remove him through the 25th Amendment.

Rep. Steve Stivers (R-Ohio) said Thursday he “would not oppose” the Cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment, adding that Trump should be “held accountable” for his role in the attack.

Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wy) said “Everything that followed was his doing,” she said. “None of this would have happened without the president. I will vote to impeach the president.”

Rep. Tom Rice (R-SC) said "I have backed this President through thick and thin for four years. I campaigned for him and voted for him twice. But, this utter failure is inexcusable." “I can’t imagine another president in my lifetime that would not have tried to intervene there, would not have tried to say, ‘Hey, this needs to stop, and you need to go home,’” Rice told AP. “For him to sit there and watch TV, and watch these policemen being beaten up, and the Capitol being stormed, and not to be very aggressive about … getting out there and trying to speak to these people himself, is just beyond my imagination.”

Rep. Dan Newhouse (R-Wa) said "The mob was inflamed by the language and misinformation of the President of the United States. ... A vote against impeachment is a vote to validate unacceptable violence" and "to condone President Trump's inaction."

Rep. Anthony Gonzalez (R-Ohio) said Trump "helped organize and incite a mob that attacked the United States Congress in an attempt to prevent us from completing our solemn duties as prescribed by the Constitution." He added that during the attack, Trump "abandoned his post ... thus further endangering all present."

Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mi) said he would have preferred a bipartisan censure that would interfere with the business of the next administration, "but," he said, "it is time to say enough is enough." He also cited Trump's efforts "to impede the peaceful transfer of power from one President to the next."

Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-Wa) declared on the House floor of her vote in favor of impeachment: "I'm not choosing sides, I'm choosing truth."

Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Mi) said Trump showed no "courage" and "betrayed millions with claims of a 'stolen election.'" He added, "The one man who could have restored order, prevented the deaths of five Americans including a Capitol police officer, and avoided the desecration of our Capitol, shrank from leadership when our country needed it most."

Rep. John Katko (R-Ny) said of Trump: "It cannot be ignored that President Trump encouraged this insurrection." He also noted that as the riot was happening, Trump "refused to call it off, putting countless lives in danger."

Rep. David Valadao (R-Ca) said: "President Trump was, without question, a driving force in the catastrophic events that took place on January 6." He added, "His inciting rhetoric was un-American, abhorrent, and absolutely an impeachable offense."

Odd reinvention "innocence" you are spinning Spiderman.
 

MrSquished

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Oh wait do you mean THIS Senate and THESE Senators (and Reps, too)?


Sen Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said Friday she attributes the violence at the Capitol to Trump, and that, “I want him to resign. I want him out. He has caused enough damage,” even hinting at a defection from the GOP if it continues in its current pro-Trump direction.

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) said in a CBS News interview Friday he “will definitely consider whatever articles [of impeachment]” pass the House of Representatives because Trump has “disregarded his oath of office.”

Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) said in a Fox News interview Saturday that he believes Trump “committed impeachable offenses”.

Rep. Garret Graves (R-La.), a member of the conservative Republican Study Committee, said in a radio interview Friday that Trump should “effectively resign” and “technically [find] a way to hand over the keys to Pence,” while stopping short of advocating his impeachment.

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), an outspoken critic of Trump’s election conspiracy theories, was the first GOP member of Congress to call for Trump’s removal on Thursday, calling Trump “unfit” and “unwell” and urging Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet to remove him through the 25th Amendment.

Rep. Steve Stivers (R-Ohio) said Thursday he “would not oppose” the Cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment, adding that Trump should be “held accountable” for his role in the attack.

Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wy) said “Everything that followed was his doing,” she said. “None of this would have happened without the president. I will vote to impeach the president.”

Rep. Tom Rice (R-SC) said "I have backed this President through thick and thin for four years. I campaigned for him and voted for him twice. But, this utter failure is inexcusable." “I can’t imagine another president in my lifetime that would not have tried to intervene there, would not have tried to say, ‘Hey, this needs to stop, and you need to go home,’” Rice told AP. “For him to sit there and watch TV, and watch these policemen being beaten up, and the Capitol being stormed, and not to be very aggressive about … getting out there and trying to speak to these people himself, is just beyond my imagination.”

Rep. Dan Newhouse (R-Wa) said "The mob was inflamed by the language and misinformation of the President of the United States. ... A vote against impeachment is a vote to validate unacceptable violence" and "to condone President Trump's inaction."

Rep. Anthony Gonzalez (R-Ohio) said Trump "helped organize and incite a mob that attacked the United States Congress in an attempt to prevent us from completing our solemn duties as prescribed by the Constitution." He added that during the attack, Trump "abandoned his post ... thus further endangering all present."

Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mi) said he would have preferred a bipartisan censure that would interfere with the business of the next administration, "but," he said, "it is time to say enough is enough." He also cited Trump's efforts "to impede the peaceful transfer of power from one President to the next."

Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-Wa) declared on the House floor of her vote in favor of impeachment: "I'm not choosing sides, I'm choosing truth."

Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Mi) said Trump showed no "courage" and "betrayed millions with claims of a 'stolen election.'" He added, "The one man who could have restored order, prevented the deaths of five Americans including a Capitol police officer, and avoided the desecration of our Capitol, shrank from leadership when our country needed it most."

Rep. John Katko (R-Ny) said of Trump: "It cannot be ignored that President Trump encouraged this insurrection." He also noted that as the riot was happening, Trump "refused to call it off, putting countless lives in danger."

Rep. David Valadao (R-Ca) said: "President Trump was, without question, a driving force in the catastrophic events that took place on January 6." He added, "His inciting rhetoric was un-American, abhorrent, and absolutely an impeachable offense."

Odd reinvention "innocence" you are spinning Spiderman.
You just listed the only Republicans with just a bit of character, out of all of them. It's a tiny fraction of the whole corrupt party.

The majority are corrupt filth. Plus the tens of millions of little Goebbels like Taj spreading their propaganda
 
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tajmahal,

Every independent study of voter suppression in recent years shows the ultimate targets have always been Voters of Color.

I don't care what

Every left wing publication that writes about Republicans accuses them of racism and voter suppression.
 
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MrSquished

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Every left wing publication that writes about Republicans accuses them for racism and voter suppression.
The party that loves the flag and symbols of literal racist traitors, is trying to whitewash history and has a cult leader that mocks black lives matter and the party which ran to eliminate voting stations in poor minority areas the second their supreme court gutted the voting rights act

Gee I wonder why.

You people are so in denial of the reality around you it's scary.
 
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tajmahal,

Some U.S. racial voter suppression history for you:

The United States Supreme Court disagrees with your claims of voter suppression.

"The Supreme Court on Thursday issued a major decision on voting rights — rejecting claims by Democrats that Republicans in Arizona engaged in voter suppression — that will have significant implications for the ongoing debate over access to the ballot box.

The court’s conservative majority ruled 6 to 3 in Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee that people who vote in the wrong precinct can have their ballots tossed out, and that restrictions on ballot collection, otherwise known as ballot harvesting, are not discriminatory.

It was the third significant decision on voting rights in the last 13 years by the court, along with the 2008 Crawford v. Marion County ruling and the 2013 Shelby v. Holder decision. All three have made it harder to prevent voter suppression, liberals argue, and easier for those in power to enact laws that erect obstacles to voting."

When choosing between your opinion, the opinion in a left wing rag or the United States Supreme Court, i'll pick the USSC thank you.
 
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Oh wait do you mean THIS Senate and THESE Senators (and Reps, too)?


Sen Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said Friday she attributes the violence at the Capitol to Trump, and that, “I want him to resign. I want him out. He has caused enough damage,” even hinting at a defection from the GOP if it continues in its current pro-Trump direction.

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) said in a CBS News interview Friday he “will definitely consider whatever articles [of impeachment]” pass the House of Representatives because Trump has “disregarded his oath of office.”

Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) said in a Fox News interview Saturday that he believes Trump “committed impeachable offenses”.

Rep. Garret Graves (R-La.), a member of the conservative Republican Study Committee, said in a radio interview Friday that Trump should “effectively resign” and “technically [find] a way to hand over the keys to Pence,” while stopping short of advocating his impeachment.

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), an outspoken critic of Trump’s election conspiracy theories, was the first GOP member of Congress to call for Trump’s removal on Thursday, calling Trump “unfit” and “unwell” and urging Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet to remove him through the 25th Amendment.

Rep. Steve Stivers (R-Ohio) said Thursday he “would not oppose” the Cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment, adding that Trump should be “held accountable” for his role in the attack.

Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wy) said “Everything that followed was his doing,” she said. “None of this would have happened without the president. I will vote to impeach the president.”

Rep. Tom Rice (R-SC) said "I have backed this President through thick and thin for four years. I campaigned for him and voted for him twice. But, this utter failure is inexcusable." “I can’t imagine another president in my lifetime that would not have tried to intervene there, would not have tried to say, ‘Hey, this needs to stop, and you need to go home,’” Rice told AP. “For him to sit there and watch TV, and watch these policemen being beaten up, and the Capitol being stormed, and not to be very aggressive about … getting out there and trying to speak to these people himself, is just beyond my imagination.”

Rep. Dan Newhouse (R-Wa) said "The mob was inflamed by the language and misinformation of the President of the United States. ... A vote against impeachment is a vote to validate unacceptable violence" and "to condone President Trump's inaction."

Rep. Anthony Gonzalez (R-Ohio) said Trump "helped organize and incite a mob that attacked the United States Congress in an attempt to prevent us from completing our solemn duties as prescribed by the Constitution." He added that during the attack, Trump "abandoned his post ... thus further endangering all present."

Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mi) said he would have preferred a bipartisan censure that would interfere with the business of the next administration, "but," he said, "it is time to say enough is enough." He also cited Trump's efforts "to impede the peaceful transfer of power from one President to the next."

Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-Wa) declared on the House floor of her vote in favor of impeachment: "I'm not choosing sides, I'm choosing truth."

Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Mi) said Trump showed no "courage" and "betrayed millions with claims of a 'stolen election.'" He added, "The one man who could have restored order, prevented the deaths of five Americans including a Capitol police officer, and avoided the desecration of our Capitol, shrank from leadership when our country needed it most."

Rep. John Katko (R-Ny) said of Trump: "It cannot be ignored that President Trump encouraged this insurrection." He also noted that as the riot was happening, Trump "refused to call it off, putting countless lives in danger."

Rep. David Valadao (R-Ca) said: "President Trump was, without question, a driving force in the catastrophic events that took place on January 6." He added, "His inciting rhetoric was un-American, abhorrent, and absolutely an impeachable offense."

Odd reinvention "innocence" you are spinning Spiderman.
What was the final vote ? You know the one that found him not guilty ?
 
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What are you folks going to do if Donald Trump is legally re-elected to the Presidency in 2024? Seems as if you trying to pave the way to your own coup/insurrection such as you did in 2016.
 
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Do you even remember the attempts to force President Trump out of office before he was ever sworn in ? Or the attempts to impeach him before he ever took office ?

Electoral college certifications? Those too. You always pretend it's just one side...... and it never is.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Do you even remember the attempts to force President Trump out of office before he was ever sworn in ? Or the attempts to impeach him before he ever took office ?

Electoral college certifications? Those too. You always pretend it's just one side...... and it never is.

What does that have to do with anything being talked about? Is it just another one of your blitz of bullshit moving goals around, sticking your head up your ass and telling yourself "Trump is my idle"? Maybe you should read the article and the reason that he could have been impeached.... The fucker's a criminal, was one before he ran for office, was one when he was elected, and was an even bigger criminal as President. But that's why you love Trump. He makes your noodle dick hard, and you get off on it.
 
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HomerJS

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It depends on the crime committed and if the time has been served completely. I would leave it up to the States to make the decision for themselves as long as adequate safeguards are in place.
The citizens of Florida voted on Amendment 4 made the decision by 65% to restore voting rights of felons who have served their time.

Guess who put a roadblock against the will of the people of Florida? Of course Republicans. So much for the rights of the people of Florida
 

GregGreen

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"A majority of Democrats and non-white voters support requiring voters to present photo identification in order to cast a ballot, according to a Monmouth University Polling Institute survey released on Monday."


Face it, not only is voter id not any type of voter suppression, it's favored by a huge margin....... so stop fucking lying about it.

I bet the results would be a lot different if it was worded how voter ID has actually be implemented. You know, like "Do you support Voter IDs implemented in conjunction with shutting down DMVs in majority Black counties and preventing any additional form of ID that allows poor people who might lack a state ID to vote?" Which, would be a much more accurate question based on how most of the voter ID laws have worked out -- and the article you posted even mentions how Republicans are against safeguards against that sort of thing.
 
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zinfamous

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That's bullshit, what new laws are Republicans proposing that are "stripping away the right to vote from millions of legal Americans" ???

Lawful audits is another thread.

and seriously "then Republicans are planning a violent civil war" ???
Looney Tunes territory there.

why is this dickless traitor still posting?
 

himkhan

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What was the final vote ? You know the one that found him not guilty ?

Thanks for agreeing that is must have been very harrowing to get all the deaths threats these poor Republican lawmakers got from crazed right wing lunatics that made them change their tune so quick! Sad when your own Party censures you and even sadder when your own constituents threaten the lives of you and your family. Shameful.

Lashing out at a POTUS who aided and tried to assist crazed attackers who were trying to kill them one day to voting no to impeach weeks later. I wonder what really happened.
 

Greenman

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This all isn’t complicated. Conservatives want America to look a certain way and liberals want it to look a different way.

When liberals don’t get what they want well, they are used to it so it’s not that big a deal. They also see society moving in their direction so it’s okay to wait.

When conservatives don’t get what they want they not only aren’t used to it, they (correctly) see the tide of history moving against them. They don’t view democracy as an independent virtue, they view it as the vehicle for their destruction. This is why starting in the mid-2000’s you started seeing conservative thought trend towards ‘actually democracy is bad’ and how that’s accelerated in the last 5-6 years. Democracy is only valuable to get them what they want. When it doesn’t they cast it aside.
Democracy without limits is a very bad thing. Give people the right to vote for whatever they want and they'll do it. Sometimes that works out, often times is doesn't.
 

fskimospy

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Democracy without limits is a very bad thing. Give people the right to vote for whatever they want and they'll do it. Sometimes that works out, often times is doesn't.
Right but who has ever argued for democracy without limits? The majority shouldn't ALWAYS get what it wants in a democracy, but it should generally do so.

What Republicans are pushing for is something much, MUCH more dangerous though - minority rule. You might be interested in reading this piece by a libertarian (someone inherently suspicious of majority rule) about why what the GOP is doing is extremely dangerous for the country. We already have a system that borders on minority rule and Republicans are trying to push it further in that direction. Eventually those sort of electoral results lose their legitimacy and then...well...bad things happen.

 
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pmv

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Yep, we're all assholes because we think criminals, rapists, murderers, child molesters and muggers should actually be punished and not given rewards for the crimes they commit.

Unlike Democrats that want them to be bailed out, back on the streets to commit more crimes.


As far as I can see, your preferred 'punishment' for them is to elect them to high office.
 
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