1.7 million dollar home + no smoke detector = fail

[Hugo Drax]

Her children and parents died in the flames, sad but this was a tragedy that could have avoided if they would have invested 80 dollars worth of smoke detectors. It would have only added an increase of 0.0047% to the cost of the house.

Make sure you have working smoke detectors and fire extinguishers.



A former Calvin Klein art director climbed onto the roof of her burning house and tried to smash the windows of her daughters' bedrooms in a bid to save them from the flames ravaging her home.
Madonna Badger, 47, and friend Michael Borcina survived the horrific Christmas day fire at her Stamford, Connecticut home that claimed the lives of her three daughters and their grandparents.
Lily, 10, and seven-year-old twins Sarah and Grace perished in the 5 a.m. fire with Mrs Badger's parents, Lomer and Pauline Johnson, who were to celebrate their 49th wedding anniversary today.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ildren-died-Christmas-fire.html#ixzz1hfQeDySF

 

[DrPizza]

Wow. You can't even sell a house around here without working smoke detectors installed. My father-in-law bought us new detectors for Christmas a few years ago. Damn are they sensitive. Impossible to make toast without one going off. If you make your toast slightly dark, the one in the next room goes off as well. That level of sensitivity gives you plenty of time to get out (or plenty of time to attack a smoldering fire with one of several fire extinguishers in the house.) I've only once ever had the need for a fire extinguisher. Put gas on an anthill in a crack in the driveway. Then realized, maybe I should burn off the fumes, just in case, so that nothing would be parked over it that could ignite the fumes. Hey, did you know that asphalt can be set on fire? Or that after about 60 seconds of burning, you can see the smoke from an asphalt fire from miles away??

 

[MrPickins]

I don't see anywhere in the article where they state that the house had no smoke detectors.

 

[Imp]

I don't see anywhere in the article where they state that the house had no smoke detectors.

Probably assumed because any smoke detector should have given ample warning to save at least more than 1 resident in the house. Well, that is unless the fire started in the girls' room(s) and they were first to go, the rest tried to save the others, but who knows...

 

[SKORPI0]

Sad to hear this. :\

I have smoke/CO detectors installed in every room. Yes they are annoying every time I have something smoking in the oven, they go off. But it beats dying from the smoke if it ever happens. Cheap and effective. Oh, the city where I live requires it.

 

[MrPickins]

Probably assumed because any smoke detector should have given ample warning to save at least more than 1 resident in the house. Well, that is unless the fire started in the girls' room(s) and they were first to go, the rest tried to save the others, but who knows...

It completely depends on where the fire started, the floor plan of the house, and how well they knew their fire escape plan.

Besides, the only time I like to assume things is when I'm doing a proof by induction.

 

[ussfletcher]

Wow. You can't even sell a house around here without working smoke detectors installed. My father-in-law bought us new detectors for Christmas a few years ago. Damn are they sensitive. Impossible to make toast without one going off. If you make your toast slightly dark, the one in the next room goes off as well. That level of sensitivity gives you plenty of time to get out (or plenty of time to attack a smoldering fire with one of several fire extinguishers in the house.) I've only once ever had the need for a fire extinguisher. Put gas on an anthill in a crack in the driveway. Then realized, maybe I should burn off the fumes, just in case, so that nothing would be parked over it that could ignite the fumes. Hey, did you know that asphalt can be set on fire? Or that after about 60 seconds of burning, you can see the smoke from an asphalt fire from miles away??

Gasoline and asphalt is not a great combination.

 

[FirNaTine]

Gasoline and asphalt is not a great combination.

Asphalt and liquid oxygen is even worse. It explodes! I know of one local hospital where a driver used an extra hose, which leaked at a coupling. The pad near it was concrete to prevent this, but parking farther away put the coupling over asphalt. When he went to tighten the connection the liquid oxygen and asphalt literally blew up in his face.

Asphalt has a large amount of hydrocarbons. It's been quite a long time, but rate of reaction can be exponentially sensitive to concentration. If you concentrate oxygen a few hundred times by liquefying it, you can imagine what that does to the reaction rate.

Enough of the derail, this is a extreme tragedy for all involved. It very likely could have been prevented with working alarms, and or/sprinklers. A multimillion dollar house has no reason to not have adequate provision for life safety.

 

[Baked]

I have both fire alarm and CO2 alarm in every room of my condo, 'cause I'm cool like that.

 

[Analog]

I have both fire alarm and CO2 alarm in every room of my condo, 'cause I'm cool like that.

CO2? Why, are you playing paintball indoors? :whiste::biggrin::biggrin:

 

[dmcowen674]

I don't see anywhere in the article where they state that the house had no smoke detectors.

News reporter interviewing Fire Chief said there was no evidence of working smoke detectors.

The house was completely engulfed by the time it was called in suggesting it was going for quite a long time undetected.

Looks like it started in chimney close to the fireplace.

Probably creosote build up.

All avoidable

Sad

 

[DayLaPaul]

CO2? Why, are you playing paintball indoors? :whiste::biggrin::biggrin:

He trying to maintain 1500ppm for his plants?

 

[ThatsABigOne]

Some people's logic just does not add up. I feel bad for the loss of those who are innocent, not aware that they are a minute away from a painful death.

 

[amdhunter]

Mob hit.

 

[Specop 007]

I have both fire alarm and CO2 alarm in every room of my condo, 'cause I'm cool like that.

I have nothing because I want to see how quickly I can claw through my wall to get out of the house in the event there is a house fire.

 

[dud]

Another example of no matter how much you make ... you are as HUMAN as the rest of us and subject to the same tragedies as the less fortunate.

 

[0roo0roo]

saving 25 dollars...egad.

 

[Hugo Drax]

I don't see anywhere in the article where they state that the house had no smoke detectors.

A quick mental statistical analysis of the outcome provides a result of no smoke detector with a confidence factor of 99.5%

 

[Six]

Someone needs to make a smoke detector where you can snoozed it mutiple times in a row. These new ultra sensitive ones won't even let me sear anything, but I'm afraid to replace them with the cheapy ones.

 

[Hugo Drax]

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/firesafety/a/Smoke-Detectors.htm



To keep your family safe, you should:

• Install a smoke detector in every bedroom of your home and in the hall that leads to one or two bedrooms, and make sure there is at least one on each floor of your home, even in your basement. You should usually avoid putting a smoke detector in an unheated attic and garage.
• Interconnect all of your smoke detectors, a feature on most newer hard-wired smoke detectors and wireless smoke detectors. Interconnected smoke detectors will all sound an alarm when any one of them detects smoke or a fire.

 

[OverVolt]

Girl in charge of a 1.7million dollar homes maintenance lol.

 

[SKORPI0]

House can be replaced not the 5 people who died in there.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2267+...code_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB4Q8gEwAA

 

[911paramedic]

You can't get around them here in CA. CO as well.

Sad to see it when people die from fire/CO, it's just so random and unforgiving. R.I.P.

 

[marvdmartian]

Sad. Makes me wonder if the owner, a city girl, had even thought of them? Chances are good that any place she owned/rented had them, and when she bought this house, she never even thought of it. Hell of a price to pay for ignorance, if that's the case!

Personally, I have a smoke detector in every bedroom, one at the end of the hall (with built in spotlight, to help guide the way to it), one just outside the kitchen, and one in the family room. Also have a CO detector, as well as a CO/flammable gas detector (good if you have natural gas or propane heat).

 

[GagHalfrunt]

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2267+...code_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB4Q8gEwAA

Drag the little street-view guy onto the map and head down to the water. It's the last house on the right side just before the water. I've been down that road, it's a beautiful area, I'm surprised the house wasn't a lot more expensive, waterfront property on Shippan Point is among the valuable real estate in Connecticut.

I wonder how long until the mom commits suicide, if there were really no smoke detectors that sort of guilt is going to be impossible to live with.