1 gig (2x512) Hyper X for $125 plus shipping!!....NOW $99 after $20 rebate!!....BAck to $124-$20=$104 plus shipping AR

[HumblePie]

Last time I checked, these aren't ch5. Some are barely ch6 ICS.

Basically, that means if you try to set the timings to 2-2-2.. it won't boot. Now matter what speed it's runnng at or how many volts you use.

If you are looking for an awsome deal on great ram...

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0

Grab those.

Twinmos is using the new Winbond UTT chips. These are BH5 quality or BETTER as many have reported reaching 270FSB with 2-2-2 timings. The best part is nothing beats them in price for their performance and there is NO rebate hassle.

For those wondering, this is the same chips used in the OCZ brand VX (voltage xtreme) memory. As such to reach anywhere near the number I mentioned you will need to supply a hefty voltage 3.3V+ to get over 250 with 2-2-2 timings.

They can still reach 200FSB 2-2-2 timings with a paltry 2.8-2.9 voltage though.

Another set of memory that is with the same chips is this mushkin memory.

http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3602905?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

It's a tad more expensive then the twinmos memory. I would go with the twinmos because it's still the same Winbond UTT ICS and brainpower PCB as the mushkin just with no heatspreader which actually makes memory run cooler.

 

[one7]

Originally posted by: HumblePie
Last time I checked, these aren't ch5. Some are barely ch6 ICS.

Basically, that means if you try to set the timings to 2-2-2.. it won't boot. Now matter what speed it's runnng at or how many volts you use.

If you are looking for an awsome deal on great ram...

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0

Grab those.

Twinmos is using the new Winbond UTT chips. These are BH5 quality or BETTER as many have reported reaching 270FSB with 2-2-2 timings. The best part is nothing beats them in price for their performance and there is NO rebate hassle.

For those wondering, this is the same chips used in the OCZ brand VX (voltage xtreme) memory. As such to reach anywhere near the number I mentioned you will need to supply a hefty voltage 3.3V+ to get over 250 with 2-2-2 timings.

They can still reach 200FSB 2-2-2 timings with a paltry 2.8-2.9 voltage though.

Another set of memory that is with the same chips is this mushkin memory.

http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3602905?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

It's a tad more expensive then the twinmos memory. I would go with the twinmos because it's still the same Winbond UTT ICS and brainpower PCB as the mushkin just with no heatspreader which actually makes memory run cooler.

I don't want to hijack this thread... can you recommend a good site where I can learn the basics of this stuff? CH5, BH5, UTT... CAS and CL timings, all that stuff. I'm only vaguely familiar with RAM technology. Thanks!

 

[one7]

Well, I just sprung for the HyperX on the rebate deal at Outpost. Thanks OP.

Humblepie, the Mushkin looks good on paper, but I am currently not having a good experience with them. I'm currently trying to deal with my 2nd return on a dual channel set, and the csr's are either know-nothings or sarcastic know-it-alls...

 

[imported_Roman]

bought some as part of upgrading my rig. This seems like teh hotness to me.

 

[HumblePie]

one7 it has nothing to do with "looking good" on paper. I have 8 gigs of different types of memory and have bought andtest many different types. I know more people that do this wors then I do when it comes to overclocking systems, and spending way too much.

It's know what is the right quality, price, and were to buy from. Get the twinmos sticks from newegg right now that was my first link. Quality wise, they can't be compared to. Literally. And for the best they are almost the cheapest as well for a gig. why pay more before a rebate for memory that will NEVER match the quality, timings, speed, and bandwith performance?

Also, which memory is "on top" changes every few months as supplies run out, new stuff is made or prices changes. So it's good to do a tiny bit of research on these forums and read more then just the "hot deals" portion of this message board to make sureyou are getting a hot deal.

 

[one7]

Understood, Humblepie (just so you know, I wasn't being critical. Just having a very, very bad taste in my mouth with Mushkin right now. I probably shouldn't have spouted off about it here.) I appreciate your input, especially since I'm not the most tech-savvy guy... I know a tiny bit, but my trade is accounting, not computers.

As for the twinmos, perhaps I should have gone that route--or should taek your recommendation now and cancel or return the HyperX. But I was under the impression you had to have a matched set for dual-channel use. It sounds like I could have just ordered two of the Twinmos sticks... what are the odds that I'd order a pair and they wouldn't play nice in a dual channel setup? Thanks.

 

[Toro 45]

Originally posted by: one7
Understood, Humblepie (just so you know, I wasn't being critical. Just having a very, very bad taste in my mouth with Mushkin right now. I probably shouldn't have spouted off about it here.) I appreciate your input, especially since I'm not the most tech-savvy guy... I know a tiny bit, but my trade is accounting, not computers.

As for the twinmos, perhaps I should have gone that route--or should taek your recommendation now and cancel or return the HyperX. But I was under the impression you had to have a matched set for dual-channel use. It sounds like I could have just ordered two of the Twinmos sticks... what are the odds that I'd order a pair and they wouldn't play nice in a dual channel setup? Thanks.

I've been following the UTT/CH5/BH5/Mushkin Blue line/TwinMos Dual pack/TwinMos speed premiums/OCZVX, etc.. threads and Humblepie has it covered very well. I have the Twinmos dual pack AA4T chips was able to hit 238fsb 3.4V 2-2-2-8 which is a bit lower than most guys get but I'm not complaining for $112.00 a gig. I was looking at the Blue Line and tempted but to many variables on them. I agree if you want some of the best overclockers the Speed premiums seems to be doing very well. The ocz VX seem to be another "sure" deal for good overclocking.

The main thing is you have to be able to put the juice to them, some may perform well at 3.1v or 3.2v but many will need higher. Also I beleive the OCZ gaurantees their ram to 3.6volts which is nice. One the problems your probably seeing with the Mushkin csr's is some people have bought them and can't hit 255-265fsb 2-2-2 like many have on other forums. So these guys are calling and pissing and moaning about their ram.


A question for humblepie, have you had or seen any of the Speed Premiums that haven't done well? I'm thinking about picking up a gig of them.

 

[one7]

Hey Toro... actually, my thing with Mushkin is related to them sending me CL3 to replace a set of defective CL2 and then telling me there's no difference, just to change the BIOS settings. I just want stable, solid, working RAM, no need for me to OC it.

As for the Twinmos... Humblepie's link is for a single stick. When I search for Twinmos dual packs on Newegg, the base model number is different. Can I just snag two single sticks & be able to run in dual channel mode? Or am I missing the dual channel package of the TMSP400/512 linked to above? Thanks...

 

[Toro 45]

Thats a pretty crappy deal. Here are the dual packs but notice these just like the single stick Speed Premiums are not listed as 2-2-2 timmings it would most likely take extra voltage to run them @ 200fsb 2-2-2

Also with the Twinmos dual pack I linked to you may not get the AA4T or the 1A4T chips so there is no gaurantee there. Some guys have gotten cadt chips and don't do 2-2-2. I not sure on the Speed Premiums.Yes, the single stick Premiums should work fine in dual channel mode

Are you just trying to run 200fsb @2-2-2? The OCZ VX chips from Atacom seem to be almost gauranteed to be UTT chips so if you don't want to take a chance that might be your best bet. They will need voltage as well,can your board supply enough?

 

[toolman3]

the description sayys the ram is KHX3200AK2/1GR whats that r at the end stand for.When i went to the kingston web site it doesnt show any ram with the r at the end. some kind of overclocked value ram maybe?

 

[ronein]

up for the updates

 

[HumblePie]

The Speed premiums single sticks work in dual channel mode.

The matched pair crap.. is just that crap. So long as you have the same two memory types running at the same speed each with the same chips on them.. it's a matched pair and will do dual channel. Buying bh5 chips on one stick and hynix on another might cause problems but if they are both the same then you won't have any problems at all doing dual channel mode.

The reason I pointed towards the single sticks as well is because there is a MUCH higher chance of getting the winbond UTT chips, seems about a 7 in 8 chance. I've picked up 4 sticks of these, had to return 1 that was fried before I got it (happens) and the other 3 were mint. Since I bought from newegg I called them up, said the 1 of 4 was fried, and they gave me a full refund no problem.

The Winbond UTT chips are going to have the Part Number marking that ends with AA4T. Get that and you are golden.

The recommended voltage and speed is FSB200 2.5-3-2 for these BUT the voltage for that is 2.6volts. Every DDR motherboard I've seen will at least allow you to push 2.8 volts to the memoy. That is the minimum you need for 2-2-2 speeds. Pushing more and you can get higher FSB. You can buy the OCZ booster if your mother board supports it and really crank it out. Or, if you have a DFI motherboard you can use the bios that allows a max voltage of 4.0 assuming you can get the 3.3V line coming off your power supply to go higher. The OCZ powerstream and fortron blue storm allow manual manipulation of the voltages the PSU's output.

At the very least, getting the twinmos memory or the OCZ VX value is going to get you 200 FSB 2-2-2 timings even if you aren't over clocking anything else. That is much cheaper then anything else you are going to purchase for that bandwith.

 

[PowerEdge]

Maybe someone can give me quick reference as to if I should keep my ram or not. I see the timings listed on the OC Forums. I bought the HyperX and mine end in AK2 which supposedly is CH-5. Are these supposed to have great potential or should I just go ahead and ebay them and maybe go for better ram? Sorry I've slowly researched and I'm not finding a clear cut answer.

thanks.

 

[ClockerXP]

Originally posted by: toolman3
the description sayys the ram is KHX3200AK2/1GR whats that r at the end stand for.When i went to the kingston web site it doesnt show any ram with the r at the end. some kind of overclocked value ram maybe?

I think that means 'Retail' rather than OEM.