1 in 5 undergrads support violence to stop speech they don't like.

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realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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I'm pretty sure the definition of fascism extends well beyond wanting to silence one particular viewpoint, i.e. a fascist one. Here is one of the more often relied upon lists of characteristics of fascism:

http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

Summary:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3.Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

Whatever definition you rely on, I'm pretty sure that fascism means a lot more than wanting to silence one viewpoint. You might say that the person doing the punching has a thing or two in common with the person he is punching, but equating the two the way you're doing is problematic.

Then it's a good thing I said fascist tactic. Wanting to force your view onto the world though force is fascist though.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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Then it's a good thing I said fascist tactic. Wanting to force your view onto the world though force is fascist though.

You used the word "fascist" without the word "tactic" after it in the post I responded to. Checking another post you made, you first used the phrase "fascist tactic" then used the word "fascist" to describe the same thing. No matter. Your post above works well enough as clarification.
 

Genx87

Lifer
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hah! we are nazis for accepting the truth of nazis, and preventing them from assembling! remind me where I suggested that we send them off to gas chambers, first.

but whatever you do, your constant attempt to defend the indefensible goes laughably noticed.

You are as obtuse as JSt0rm. Nazism as I pointed out earlier in this thread used violence to suppress the opposition. Advocating the use of violence is a nazi concept. You are so emotionally hung up on this topic anybody who doesn't go along with your warped view of the world defends nazis. You are what you claim to hate.
 

realibrad

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Realibrad Defender of nazis. His great grandparents would be proud.

Sadly, you see it as defending Nazis when the reality is I'm defending liberalism. Somehow the left forgot what it means to be in the left. Not you though, you are just stupid.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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@realibrad would you be okay with a local ISIS chapter gathering in public to spread the good word of their movement? They aren't criminals until they actually commit an act of terrorism so it should be okay right? We should protect their freedom of speech and right to assembly despite their beliefs in using violence as a means to get their desired outcome of death to infidels.

Correct. So long as they are promoting only ideas and not inciting violence, then I will defend their right of free speech. I vehemently disagree with ISIS and they are a terrorist group so they should be arrested for being terrorist. But if someone were out there promoting ISIS beliefs then it's just free speech.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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I'm not sure which side you are trying to argue with this response. Hitler used violence to stop speech he didn't like.
The radical left is convinced that anyone not marching in lockstep with them IS Hitler, so anything they do is acceptable.
 
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JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Sadly, you see it as defending Nazis when the reality is I'm defending liberalism. Somehow the left forgot what it means to be in the left. Not you though, you are just stupid.

You have been worked over in this thread. You arent defending shit. You made up a lot of positions that everyone else has and selecta-quoted some shit.
 

Grooveriding

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Dec 25, 2008
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It took violence to stop the Nazis before, if they're allowed to rise again, it will take violence to stop them once more. I have little room of sympathy for people who complain about hearing views they don't like or cry for safe spaces and jump to take offense whenever they can. But if it's fucking nazis, do whatever is necessary to stamp them out.

These are the filth of the Earth. What sort of piece of shit latches onto an ideology that built its self around exterminating millions of people? Nazis are a cancer that needs to be excised from society, the ideology has proven its self as sociopathic and homicidal. There is no place for it. It is only because Trump is such a piece of filth, that he has literally emboldened Nazi filth to come out of the shadows and see if the climate is right to once again air their filth and march towards their genocidal utopia once again.
 
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Orignal Earl

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1 in 5 Americans suffer from mental illess
1 in 5 Americans don't use their dishwashers
1 in 5 Americans would be open to dating a transsexual
1 in 5 Americans trust the government
1 in 5 Americans has a disability
1 in 5 Americans say their office culture is hostile
1 in 5 Americans believe they are a follower of Islam
1 in 5 Americans struggle with substance abuse
1 in 5 Americans can pass a 8th grade civics test
 
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A point that some seem to forget. To declare oneself a Nazi is to declare that one is willing, even eager, to commit genocide against Jews, Roma, LGBT folks and a few others. It's a declaration/promise of intent to kill a buncha folks. And, if they're lucky, they also get to toss a few bodies into an oven. Some folks don't react peacefully to threats like that. Quelle surprise!
 
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Zaap

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^ Says a prick I've witnessed here *MAKE UP* sob story excuses for people who declare themselves ISIS and eager to "kill a buncha folks." Jews especially.

"Nazi Fighters." LOL. Whatever, pussy leftists. Half you pricks are perfectly fine with fascist, genocidal maniacs and making up excuses for why it's everyone else's fault they've taken up a violent, hateful ideology, it's just the flags, symbols, made up sob stories, nationalities etc are different. Now quick, back to fighting make believe nazis hiding under your beds.
 
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Someone seems upset. <shrug>

^ Says a prick I've witnessed here *MAKE UP* sob story excuses for people who declare themselves ISIS and eager to "kill a buncha folks." Jews especially.

"Nazi Fighters." LOL. Whatever, pussy leftists. Half you pricks are perfectly fine with fascist, genocidal maniacs and making up excuses for why it's everyone else's fault they've taken up a violent, hateful ideology, it's just the flags, symbols, made up sob stories, nationalities etc are different. Now quick, back to fighting make believe nazis hiding under your beds.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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The radical left is convinced that anyone not marching in lockstep with them IS Hitler, so anything they do is acceptable.

Sure.
^ Says a prick I've witnessed here *MAKE UP* sob story excuses for people who declare themselves ISIS and eager to "kill a buncha folks." Jews especially.

"Nazi Fighters." LOL. Whatever, pussy leftists. Half you pricks are perfectly fine with fascist, genocidal maniacs and making up excuses for why it's everyone else's fault they've taken up a violent, hateful ideology, it's just the flags, symbols, made up sob stories, nationalities etc are different. Now quick, back to fighting make believe nazis hiding under your beds.

Dumb af. You are.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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You have been worked over in this thread. You arent defending shit. You made up a lot of positions that everyone else has and selecta-quoted some shit.

Whatever you want to believe is your choice. I made specific claims and have defended those claims. I have pointed out the flaw in your comments and have explained myself. Nobody has been worked over, well, at least here in reality. Who knows what you have been conjuring up in your little mind.

The left using fascist tactics like the right has been known to do is troubling. Right now its not super prevalent, but sure does seem to be growing. If the target were truly full out Nazis I would not be as worried, but the Left has been labeling people Nazis for disagreeing. If the left stops being the counter to the right, and start to mimic the bad parts of the right, we will all be in trouble.

Further, we should leave justice to the legal system. Letting individuals and mobs enact what they believe is moral justice would be horrific to a modern society. We should never let ourselves regress to things we know have been the foundation of terrible moments in history.

You have a feeble mind that clearly has trouble seeing very far ahead. It also does not seem to do well with understanding the past. All it can seem to understand is your thirst for violence.
 

Grooveriding

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'Junk science': experts cast doubt on widely cited college free speech surve


Polling experts are raising red flags about a new survey that concluded that nearly 20% of American college students believe it’s appropriate to use violence to silence offensive speech.

The eye-popping results of the survey have been widely cited in conservative media outlets, including by the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, and were written up by an opinion columnist for the Washington Post.


The way the survey results have been presented are “malpractice” and “junk science” and “it should never have appeared in the press”, according to Cliff Zukin, a past president of the American Association of Public Opinion Polling, which sets ethical and transparency standards for polling.

John Villasenor, a professor of electrical engineering at the University of California Los Angeles, defended his survey as an important window into what he had called a troubling atmosphere on American campuses in which “freedom of expression is deeply imperiled”. Villasenor, a cybersecurity expert, said this was the first public opinion survey he had conducted.

However, his survey was not administered to a randomly selected group of college students nationwide, what statisticians call a “probability sample”. Instead, it was administered to an opt-in online panel of people who self-identified as current college students.

“If it’s not a probability sample, it’s not a sample of anyone, it’s just 1500 college students who happen to respond,” Zukin said, calling it “junk science”.

“It’s an interesting piece of data,” Michael Traugott, a polling expert at the University of Michigan’s Center for Political Studies, said. “Whether it represents the proportion of all college students who believe this is unknown.”

Villesenor said his survey had been inspired by the “increasing trend towards censorship on college campuses in recent years”, which included both outright censorship and “self-censorship”.

Like many other academics, Villasenor has remained concerned that university campuses are not sufficiently open to “reasonable perspectives”.

He secured funding from the conservative Charles Koch Foundation to survey students this August about their views on free speech. Rather than write an academic paper, he posted some of his results online this week, arguing that given “the timeliness of the topic, I believe it is important to get some of the key results out into the public sphere immediately”.

“A surprisingly large fraction of students believe it is acceptable to act – including resorting to violence – to shut down expression they consider offensive,” he wrote. His survey also found that college students had deep misunderstandings about the scope of the first amendment’s free speech protections

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Funded by the Kochs and not randomly sampled. So not randomly sampled, and answers given online by those who opted-in. No easy routes to abuse there.... More US right-wing propaganda for the drones.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I don't believe in using force until there is no other reasonable option. I do not think we are at that point yet, so I cant back going around taking justice into my own hands. We have a society built around rules and logic and we should continue with that. Nazis have a proven track record of failure. Racism has a proven track record of failure. If people do not understand this, then punching will not solve anything as others will fill the void.

We are not at that point yet? What defines that point? Do you think the average person is good enough to stand by and tolerate the raft of intolerance spread by these hateful, unapologetic cvnts?

That, not one good person would ever listen to these speeches, and be so easily swayed? That, as long as we stand by and let them do their thing, they will never become powerful enough to enact their vile, genocidal agenda? Regular, good people like you and me would never stand for that, right? It just isn't in human nature.

So, yet another lesson apologetic conservatives fail to learn, when the terrible data has been slapping them in the faces for many, many years. What normal, decent humans are absolutely capable of doing, given the proper prompting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

This was all after the world, and these subjects, had been exposed to the reality of Nazi power. These also weren't modern day dumb idiot people where Nazis were no longer "current," where they were "past history." That kind of reality was still very much part of the world, the lessons were right there, in your face. Still, people continue to behave this way, when properly conditioned. They continue to vote for fascists, when properly conditioned. They continue to terrorize and murder, when properly conditioned.

There is no tolerance for Nazis. None. They are the fire in the theater. There simply is no defense for the indefensible, and the wretchedly intolerant.

lol, nazis and racism have a proven track record of failure? I guess that's why genocide has been eliminated from this world, right? I guess that's why birther in chief won the presidency on the backs of "totally not racist, decent folks?"

I'm more and more convinced that conservatives don't know anything about humans.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Think you're in the wrong thread sir.

Are you fucking high? the only guy in here with a real life experience with violent, human-hating nazis, and you think his opinion is irrelevant to your nazi-supporting thread?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Sadly, you see it as defending Nazis when the reality is I'm defending liberalism. Somehow the left forgot what it means to be in the left. Not you though, you are just stupid.

no, you just think nazis "aren't that different from other bad hombres."

To equate my complete disdain for Nazis as some catchall for a personal willingness to stifle all uncomfortable speech is completely obtuse.
 

Phynaz

Lifer
Mar 13, 2006
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^going by the number of posts you have made in this thread, you're the idiot that got duped.
 

Commodus

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Shocker: the right-wing's overseers are continuing an agenda of equivocation to pretend that the threat is really the left, not the neo-Nazis enabled by Trump's policies.

It's hilarious how the right screams "free speeeeeeech," but at the same time tries to exaggerate the threat from the left with a not-so-subtle hint that it would really, really like to silence all left-wing protest.
 
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JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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Shocker: the right-wing's overseers are continuing an agenda of equivocation to pretend that the threat is really the left, not the neo-Nazis enabled by Trump's policies.

It's hilarious how the right screams "free speeeeeeech," but at the same time tries to exaggerate the threat from the left with a not-so-subtle hint that it would really, really like to silence all left-wing protest.

Conservatives are pretty much the worst of the human race.
 
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