10 year old to launch first "drag club" for kids

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snoopy7548

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Where's the slightest indication of child abuse? All I could gather from the article is that Desmond wasn't forced into drag or this lifestyle - he chose it for himself and his parents support his decision 100%. Is ten years old a bit young for this? Maybe, if you're living in the 50s. Seems like children are maturing faster these days, especially in progressive communities/families. That doesn't seem like a bad thing, especially if they have parents that are completely supportive of them - if they hit puberty, realize their whole life has been an episode of insanity, and fall into a deep depression, their parents will be there to help them out of it.

Admitting that they were concerned about how other people might perceive their son, Desmond's parents consulted a therapist for advice on what to do.

The therapist advised them that the best course of action was to do nothing, and let Desmond develop naturally and explore his own tastes in clothing, toys, and activities.

'We get messages from people, like in Colombia, saying, "We're not allowed to be outwardly [in] drag or gay and it means a lot to see somebody that is." So there's a positive aspect to it.

'But then there's an uglier aspect where we get a lot of haters and things like that. It comes with a territory and I mostly just leave them alone.'

Child abuse would be punishing Desmond for who he is and sending him away for conversion therapy. THAT would be more likely to end in depression and suicide than letting him do what feels right.
 

GagHalfrunt

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The only clientele that would be interested in the club are creepy middle aged men, errr, women, errr, people who would gather outside to try to meet the kids. It would be a giant beacon of weird.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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The only clientele that would be interested in the club are creepy middle aged men, errr, women, errr, people who would gather outside to try to meet the kids. It would be a giant beacon of weird.

And soon gathered outside of this club: an extremely disappointed Roy Moore.
 

justoh

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Jun 11, 2013
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I never said not to allow this. By all means, if you want to screw up your kid's life go for it. I'm very much libertarian. I'm also atheist.

This isn't about whats right/wrong from a religious perspective. It's simply about mental disorders and instead trying to embrace them rather than address them. But again, in the end I don't care. It's not my kid that will be depressed and contemplating suicide.

Fine then. Sorry for assuming you were religious. It's typically the case. Always has to be one. Weird, you seem even more christian than many christians seem to be, and far more so than most other atheists. You're exceptional! And a medical professional?
 

pcgeek11

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I find this disturbing. Nearly a bad as the parents of the boy " I am Jazz " and allowing him to take hormones before puberty to stop it. Toddler Drag Queens, really. The parents are using and abusing the child.
 

brycejones

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I find this disturbing. Nearly a bad as the parents of the boy " I am Jazz " and allowing him to take hormones before puberty to stop it. Toddler Drag Queens, really. The parents are using and abusing the child.

Its icky to me and I don't understand so it must be wrong!
 
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snoopy7548

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I find this disturbing. Nearly a bad as the parents of the boy " I am Jazz " and allowing him to take hormones before puberty to stop it. Toddler Drag Queens, really. The parents are using and abusing the child.

Why do you think the parents are "using and abusing" their child? What evidence is there of that in the article?
 

IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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When a Daily Mail story is posted on P&N, I immediately wonder what is happening that matters.
 

Puffnstuff

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I find this disturbing. Nearly a bad as the parents of the boy " I am Jazz " and allowing him to take hormones before puberty to stop it. Toddler Drag Queens, really. The parents are using and abusing the child.
Not exactly raising up a child in the way they should go is it?
 
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Sounds like more than dress up. I don't think a toddler or even a 10 year old has the wherewithal to understand these things. They are making life altering decisions. The things you do on the internet will follow you around forever. Personally I'd not let my kid do this. When they become a teen and I felt like they could think for themselves I'd be okay with whatever they decided.
 

WelshBloke

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Jan 12, 2005
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Yes, and Facebook isn't known and constantly mocked for people portraying their life as amazing - but in actuality living in depression.... Nope... never heard that one....

The kid will commit suicide by about mid-twenties due to this bullshit. It's just attention whoring 101. One of the first things on the first video of that Facebook page... "Desmond's 2018 Predictions" followed by "The biggest movie this year will be about me!" speaks for itself.

To each their own, you guys can embrace this all you want - the end result will be depression because this isn't about expressing yourself, opening up, whatever other bullshit you want to call it. It's simply attention whoring from a child. Then the real world hits them on the face - because it's no longer about how popular you are in school. No one gives a shit when it comes to the real world, and thats when they lose it.
Is this one of those "misery likes company" things?

to be honest though, life started sucking the moment I had to get a paycheck.... Not sure about the whole 27 thing.

As dick and spoiled as it sounds, everything was so much better when I had everything delivered to me... Need to make dinner? Who cares, mom is making/deciding it. Need groceries? Mom/Dad have it covered. Need to clean/maintain the house? 'Rents got it.

You get the drift.... Responsibility sucks. Every kid thinks they want it until they finally have it. Most kids of the latest generation can't handle it either, and they fall apart as they try to scrape by and pay bills every month without having any savings - let alone retirement.

I'm really just counting down the days to when my kid(s) aren't such a burden in life. The fact that leaving for anything (Store, restaurant, etc...) is like a 30 minute ordeal of gathering formula, with the bottle/warmer, making sure the diaper bag is loaded (clothes, diapers, etc.), making sure the kid is dressed.... Is something that as a dad I can never get used to. I'm just wired to think "toss on pants, toss on t-shirt, toss on tennis shoes and leave"... as a 5 minute task. Not so anymore....
 
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Is this one of those "misery likes company" things?

Not sure what correlation you're trying to portray here. One is a kid that will be depressed when his attention whoring doesn't work anymore -

and the other is the reality that life sucks when you get older. It's kind of, well, a fact.
 

Homerboy

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Sounds like more than dress up. I don't think a toddler or even a 10 year old has the wherewithal to understand these things. They are making life altering decisions. The things you do on the internet will follow you around forever. Personally I'd not let my kid do this. When they become a teen and I felt like they could think for themselves I'd be okay with whatever they decided.

You're woefully mistaken.
 

alien42

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ar-old-drag-queen-founded-drag-club-kids.html


This has psycho parents and suicide written all over it. At ten years old:

'You can just do you': Boy, 10, founds a drag club for KIDS so they can express themselves in a 'positive, encouraging, and safe' space

  • Desmond Napoles from Brooklyn in New York City is better known by his drag name, Desmond is Amazing
  • He started dressing up as a toddler and began wearing dresses aged six
  • He has since appeared in a music video with RuPaul and his performance at Gay Pride in New York in 2015 went viral
  • An active member in the LGBTQ community, Desmond now wants to inspire other young people and promote anit-bullying and suicide prevention
  • He is launching Haus of Amazing, a drag club for 'drag kids'
  • He also hopes to have a fashion and cosmetics line in the future
Pics in the article, not posting them because it’s weird as hell.


So what say you AT, is it child abuse?

what has suicide written all over it is a child like this raised by ignorant people like you who want to suppress them and for them to conform to your concepts of normal and acceptable.

that would arguably be child abuse.
 
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WelshBloke

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Not sure what correlation you're trying to portray here. One is a kid that will be depressed when his attention whoring doesn't work anymore -

Well it seems like you don't enjoy your life so you can't accept that anyone else can be enjoying theirs.

and the other is the reality that life sucks when you get older. It's kind of, well, a fact.

I'm liking life as I get older!
 

Zaap

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All the talk about suicide is not productive- just the usual mindless venom spewed around here. No one here has the slightest grasp of the myriad of complex issues that are behind suicides.

There are several red flags in the story that scream 'pageant parent' behavior that sink this for me. Like I said, there's always this bullshit line: "Though still quite young, he first expressed an interest in dressing up in drag as a toddler"

No he did fucking not. Toddlers don't have a grasp on *anything* and don't know 'dressing in drag" from a lump of dogshit on the ground- literally. Toddlers "express interest" in drinking the bottles marked with a giant skull and crossbones under the sink - if you're a dipshit parent who LETS them anywhere near such things. They "express interest" in dumping paint on everything in the house.

This is parents who foisted this on their kid from an age well before he knew anything else. Big news flash, parents influence their children. Whatever you present to a kid as normal- they'll graviate to.

Also the horseshit in the article about the kid "coming out"- that's 100% creepy adult manufactured bullshit. No 10 year old knows anything about such things unless its foisted on them by adults, and in this case creepy parents.

This is just pageant parent creepiness, no different from the whole 'Jonbenet' syndrome some weird pageant mom types have where they convince their young daughters they aren't beautiful unless they have faces smeared full of makeup and garish lipstick, and are emulating some form of adult fantasy object. Of course the kids grow to enjoy the attention they get from creepy adults, but there's always that bullshit "from a toddler!" crap backstory that creep parents make up. Every fucking time.

This is exactly the same thing, the exact same learned behavior from parents, just with a male child, so we're supposed to buy all the 'coming out' and LGBT stuff as the whole cloth invention of a toddler-to 10 year old because PC insanity dictates you can't call out the same bullshit in this case.

I don't buy all the 'this will have a terrible effect on him' stuff, but then again I don't know. But creepy parents are creepy parents.
 
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Starbuck1975

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All the talk about suicide is not productive- just the usual mindless venom spewed around here. No one here has the slightest grasp of the myriad of complex issues that are behind suicides.

There are several red flags in the story that scream 'pageant parent' behavior that sink this for me. Like I said, there's always this bullshit line: "Though still quite young, he first expressed an interest in dressing up in drag as a toddler"

No he did fucking not. Toddlers don't have a grasp on *anything* and don't know 'dressing in drag" from a lump of dogshit on the ground- literally. Toddlers "express interest" in drinking the bottles marked with a giant skull and crossbones under the sink - if you're a dipshit parent who LETS them anywhere near such things. They "express interest" in dumping paint on everything in the house.

This is parents who foisted this on their kid from an age well before he knew anything else. Big news flash, parents influence their children. Whatever you present to a kid as normal- they'll graviate to.

Also the horseshit in the article about the kid "coming out"- that's 100% creepy adult manufactured bullshit. No 10 year old knows anything about such things unless its foisted on them by adults, and in this case creepy parents.

This is just pageant parent creepiness, no different from the whole 'Jonbenet' syndrome some weird pageant mom types have where they convince their young daughters they aren't beautiful unless they have faces smeared full of makeup and garish lipstick, and are emulating some form of adult fantasy object. Of course the kids grow to enjoy the attention they get from creepy adults, but there's always that bullshit "from a toddler!" crap backstory that creep parents make up. Every fucking time.

This is exactly the same thing, the exact same learned behavior from parents, just with a male child, so we're supposed to buy all the 'coming out' and LGBT stuff as the whole cloth invention of a toddler-to 10 year old because PC insanity dictates you can't call out the same bullshit in this case.

I don't buy all the 'this will have a terrible effect on him' stuff, but then again I don't know. But creepy parents are creepy parents.
They're not creepy, they're from Brooklyn.
 

realibrad

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So has nobody made the argument that gender identity is something more for adults, and that we already prohibit kids from engaging in some things because we as a society feel kids are not ready for everything? I mean, its the very foundation of prohibiting kids from having sex. The argument (mine included) is that kids, while being physically able and can even physically enjoy sexual acts, should not engage in it because there are other things going on emotionally that they are not prepared to deal with. We call that child abuse to let it happen.

So if its bad for a child to engage in something that they may enjoy in the short run because of the long run emotional issues, then how is this any different?
 
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jackstar7

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So has nobody made the argument that gender identity is something more for adults, and that we already prohibit kids from engaging in some things because we as a society feel kids are not ready for everything? I mean, its the very foundation of prohibiting kids from having sex. The argument (mine included) is that kids, while being physically able and can even physically enjoy sexual acts, should not engage in it because there are other things going on emotionally that they are not prepared to deal with. We call that child abuse to let it happen.

So if its bad for a child to engage in something that they may enjoy in the short run because of the long run emotional issues, then how is this any different?
Wait... it's child abuse if your kids are having sex? What?
 
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