10 year old to launch first "drag club" for kids

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realibrad

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I do, but not within the framing you've constructed.

What age does it stop being abuse?

Irrelevant given the context of the thread. I will also ask, do you agree with the premise that kids should be prevented from having sex before a general level of maturity? If yes, then how is this type of gender activity not something kids should be held back from for the same reasons?
 

brycejones

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I think ralibrad is suppressing something or dealing with something within their family. Sexual identity in children really seems to bring him out. Get ready for a never ending pedantic debate.
 

jackstar7

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Irrelevant given the context of the thread. I will also ask, do you agree with the premise that kids should be prevented from having sex before a general level of maturity? If yes, then how is this type of gender activity not something kids should be held back from for the same reasons?
As a parent, I don't agree with your premises, no.

Also, I'm making it relevant to the thread: what age is it no longer abuse to permit it? Also, how do you stop it?
 

justoh

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Because dressing up isn't sex. No risks involved beyond giving assholes the creeps, and the only "emotional" issues pointed to so far can be traced to the potential and reality of being bullied by assholes.
 

realibrad

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Because dressing up isn't sex. No risks involved beyond giving assholes the creeps, and the only "emotional" issues pointed to so far is the potential and reality of being bullied by assholes.

I never said they were the same, I said they were alike and gave reasons why. Children investigate self identity as a part of development, but some things are beyond their grasp. Further, its a time when the mind is very impressionable and will accept things as being true without many of the tools to challenge ideas. This is key as to why almost all parents try to get their kids into their religion during this time, because if you can, its highly likely it will stick. Their minds are just not developed to the point were they can really grasp things.

The damage comes from an identity that is more or less given by influence rather than what comes from the self.
 

realibrad

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As a parent, I don't agree with your premises, no.

Also, I'm making it relevant to the thread: what age is it no longer abuse to permit it? Also, how do you stop it?

Given my premise you dont agree that kids should have sex, or you dont agree with my premise?
 

realibrad

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I think ralibrad is suppressing something or dealing with something within their family. Sexual identity in children really seems to bring him out. Get ready for a never ending pedantic debate.

As a sexual abuse victim, yes I find the topic important as well as interesting.
 

realibrad

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its funny, i see organized religion as abuse and use, so whatevs.

Abuse is on a spectrum which should not be forgotten. I do agree that religion and the churches that are associated often do constitute as abuse to me.
 
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Yes, and Facebook isn't known and constantly mocked for people portraying their life as amazing - but in actuality living in depression.... Nope... never heard that one....

The kid will commit suicide by about mid-twenties due to this bullshit. It's just attention whoring 101. One of the first things on the first video of that Facebook page... "Desmond's 2018 Predictions" followed by "The biggest movie this year will be about me!" speaks for itself.

To each their own, you guys can embrace this all you want - the end result will be depression because this isn't about expressing yourself, opening up, whatever other bullshit you want to call it. It's simply attention whoring from a child. Then the real world hits them on the face - because it's no longer about how popular you are in school. No one gives a shit when it comes to the real world, and thats when they lose it.

Folks with attitudes like yours drive folks like him to suicide. The "real world" is evolving. Better evolve with it or face extinction. With folks like you, my money is on extinction.
 
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brycejones

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As a sexual abuse victim, yes I find the topic important as well as interesting.

Sexual abuse is serious and I'm can't imagine the pain you've had to deal with. But this thread and this topic is a mountain out of mole hill. This is about how a kid sees their gender which is not the same as the act of sex or the encouraging this child to engage in sexual activity.
 

Zaap

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The creep parents and adults involved made this about sex with all the 'coming out' and LGBT stuff. Every letter of LGBT has to do with a person's sexual identity. Perfectly fine for adults, but nothing to do with children.

It'd be the same level of weirdness if the parents of a 10 year old girl made beauty pageant stuff about her belonging to some sort of adult sexual orientation groups and weird 'outing' stories related to it. Even the densest pageant parent creep knows that wouldn't fly.

Why on earth does anyone think its a great idea for people who are LGBT to have that identified with anything to do with 10 year olds and even toddlers?

What, society doesn't make LGBT concerns and being 'out' or not difficult enough without anything to do with young children and pedophilia tarnishing it?

The fucking weirdness that some people think helps their cause.
 

justoh

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The damage comes from an identity that is more or less given by influence rather than what comes from the self.

So piecing this together then... It's not sex, but it's analogous for harm or risk analysis, since they're nothing alike, and something about the integrity of your identity's development being compromised. Is that about right? Is you for real?
 

realibrad

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Sexual abuse is serious and I'm can't imagine the pain you've had to deal with. But this thread and this topic is a mountain out of mole hill. This is about how a kid sees their gender which is not the same as the act of sex or the encouraging this child to engage in sexual activity.

Gender as a concept is something well beyond a kid that is 10. They can start to explore it in many ways, but dressing and being around others at that age seems to be a bit too far and can be an influence given the nature of peep pressure. This is simply too young of an age for this type of activity.
 

realibrad

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So piecing this together then... It's not sex, but it's analogous for harm or risk analysis, since they're nothing alike, and something about the integrity of your identity's development being compromised. Is that about right? Is you for real?

They are alike which I explained. A child engaging in activities which they are not fully aware of the implications can be damaging at worst and at best an influence. There is a way to test this argument.

Explain what damage two kids age 12 having sex can do. If they are as dissimilar as you think then it should be easy to show how the damage would be different.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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Gender as a concept is something well beyond a kid that is 10. They can start to explore it in many ways, but dressing and being around others at that age seems to be a bit too far and can be an influence given the nature of peep pressure. This is simply too young of an age for this type of activity.

Completely serious question, your peer reviewed research to support this is where?
 

ch33zw1z

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Abuse is on a spectrum which should not be forgotten. I do agree that religion and the churches that are associated often do constitute as abuse to me.
it doesnt have to be, but its taught from early ages, reinforced using the very basic and built in emotional amd survival instincts, and not presented as a choice. its fact, and all others are wrong. not all organizations press religion like this, but its definitely the majority.
 

nakedfrog

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Gender as a concept is something well beyond a kid that is 10. They can start to explore it in many ways, but dressing and being around others at that age seems to be a bit too far and can be an influence given the nature of peep pressure. This is simply too young of an age for this type of activity.
Do you have anything to support this statement?
 

Puffnstuff

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Gender as a concept is something well beyond a kid that is 10. They can start to explore it in many ways, but dressing and being around others at that age seems to be a bit too far and can be an influence given the nature of peep pressure.
I agree with this. When they get older and are able to make choices for themselves independent of peer pressures or influences then its their right to do so.
 

realibrad

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Completely serious question, your peer reviewed research to support this is where?

Which part? I find it odd that people seem to be taking the stance that a child at the age of 10 has the ability to understand gender to the level of knowing which one they are, and or which one they are not. So please let me know exactly what you are questioning and I will respond.
 

jackstar7

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Given my premise you dont agree that kids should have sex, or you dont agree with my premise?
I said it plainly. I don't agree with your premises.

My questions again: At what age is "allowing" sex no longer abuse? And how do you prevent it?
 

realibrad

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it doesnt have to be, but its taught from early ages, reinforced using the very basic and built in emotional amd survival instincts, and not presented as a choice. its fact, and all others are wrong. not all organizations press religion like this, but its definitely the majority.

Once a person and or people have power, they like to use it. Religion is no different. Power can be used for good or bad, and almost never is it used purely for one.
 
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