10 year old to launch first "drag club" for kids

[nakedfrog]

Adults have a hard time with it, and society at large is debating this, yet you think a 10 year old child has a firm enough grasp on it? Really?

So, that's a no, it's just "common sense"?

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/how-science-helps-us-understand-gender-identity/

 

[realibrad]

I said it plainly. I don't agree with your premises.

My questions again: At what age is "allowing" sex no longer abuse? And how do you prevent it?

My premise was that children having sex with children can lead to long term emotional problems. You are disagreeing with that?

 

[justoh]

I get it. There's no argument. It just makes you uncomfortable.

They are alike which I explained. A child engaging in activities which they are not fully aware of the implications can be damaging at worst and at best an influence. There is a way to test this argument.

Explain what damage two kids age 12 having sex can do. If they are as dissimilar as you think then it should be easy to show how the damage would be different.

There's a significantly greater risk of pregnancy, disease and other health complications in the case of sexual intercourse vs dress wearing.

 

[brycejones]

My premise was that children having sex with children can lead to long term emotional problems. You are disagreeing with that?

So you're not really able to discuss the thread topic?

 

[jackstar7]

My premise was that children having sex with children can lead to long term emotional problems. You are disagreeing with that?

I am, because I have no idea what it means. It's vague, for one thing.

Again, my questions: At what age is "allowing" sex no longer abuse? How do you prevent it?

 

[realibrad]

I get it. There's no argument. It just makes you uncomfortable.


There's a significantly greater risk of pregnancy, disease and other health complications in the case of sexual intercourse vs dress wearing.

So to you there is only physical issues to overcome? Well if that is the case, then protection is widely used to protect adults, so it seems there is no issue to you, or was that just an attempt to side step?

Ill be honest, I usually enjoy your comments as they are thought out, but this one seems to not be up to your typical standards.

 

[realibrad]

I am, because I have no idea what it means. It's vague, for one thing.

Again, my questions: At what age is "allowing" sex no longer abuse? How do you prevent it?

Seems pretty clear to me. I can ask it a different way.

What harm would there be with two 12 year old children having sex?

Answer to yours, its not an age but a maturity level. Its almost impossible to measure each person, so society came up with an age that it felt most people would have met that maturity level. I think 18 is probably too high, but not by too much.

 

[WelshBloke]

How did this end up being about kids having sex?

 

[jackstar7]

Seems pretty clear to me. I can ask it a different way.

What harm would there be with two 12 year old children having sex?

Answer to yours, its not an age but a maturity level. Its almost impossible to measure each person, so society came up with an age that it felt most people would have met that maturity level. I think 18 is probably too high, but not by too much.

You're asking me to make your argument. Make it yourself.

And your answers are no answers.

So we're done here.

 

[Homerboy]

Gender as a concept is something well beyond a kid that is 10. They can start to explore it in many ways, but dressing and being around others at that age seems to be a bit too far and can be an influence given the nature of peep pressure. This is simply too young of an age for this type of activity.

Oh really? My child (and their mom and I) knew something was "different" when they were only 11 or so. So speaking from first hand experience, you're dead wrong.

 

[Homerboy]

How did this end up being about kids having sex?

Because the immature morality police creeps can't handle adult situations and an evolving society?

 

[WelshBloke]

Because the immature morality police creeps can't handle adult situations and an evolving society?

Its slightly concerning that if there's a young boy in a dress the first thing some people think of is sex tbh.

 

[jackstar7]

I agree with this. When they get older and are able to make choices for themselves independent of peer pressures or influences then its their right to do so.

So you and Brad think it is a choice then?

Interesting.

 

[justoh]

So to you there is only physical issues to overcome? .

The only "emotional issues" one would face would be that from bullies and assholes. Remember? Was already established. As for the 12-year-olds, in the girl's case there could be stigma, self-hate, shame if their parents are religious, someonesmind, or you, and if her peers (or peeps, as you put it) are assholes. Is that how they're meant to be similar? The answer can't be to conform to a cruel and stupid society because it's practical. Don't be ridic.

 

[Puffnstuff]

So you and Brad think it is a choice then?

Interesting.

I once wore ladies panties....on top of my head and it was a choice. When I was growing up I never had any doubts about my gender identity and neither did my sons. Parents have a responsibility to nurture their children including their gender identity.

 

[jackstar7]

I once wore ladies panties....on top of my head and it was a choice. When I was growing up I never had any doubts about my gender identity and neither did my sons. Parents have a responsibility to nurture their children including their gender identity.

So... gender's not a choice then?

 

[nakedfrog]

I once wore ladies panties....on top of my head and it was a choice. When I was growing up I never had any doubts about my gender identity and neither did my sons. Parents have a responsibility to nurture their children including their gender identity.

So you'd say that if your child has a non-conforming gender identity, you should nurture that, or are you suggesting that you should nurture them into a conforming gender identity?

 

[Puffnstuff]

So... gender's not a choice then?

Twisted minds are making it a choice.

So you'd say that if your child has a non-conforming gender identity, you should nurture that, or are you suggesting that you should nurture them into a conforming gender identity?

Parents have a responsibility to help their children so males should be nurtured towards masculine attributes and females towards feminine attributes. If you choose to aid and abet a child's confusion then that's on you.

 

[nakedfrog]

Twisted minds are making it a choice.

Parents have a responsibility to help their children so males should be nurtured towards masculine attributes and females towards feminine attributes. If you choose to aid and abet a child's confusion then that's on you.

This is what leads to depression and suicide.

 

[pcgeek11]

Why do you think the parents are "using and abusing" their child? What evidence is there of that in the article?

I suppose the kid is financing the "Drag Club" with his own money and business degree.

These parents are using and abusing him.

 

[pcgeek11]

They're not creepy, they're from Brooklyn.

Same thing.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I suppose the kid is financing the "Drag Club" with his own money and business degree.

These parents are using and abusing him.

So you've known these people for a few years then? Have you talked to them about your feelings on the matter? What was their reaction?

 

[pcgeek11]

So you've known these people for a few years then? Have you talked to them about your feelings on the matter? What was their reaction?

These questions are stupid.

Where do you think the money for this Drag Club is coming from?
Who do you think is going to run it?

 

[Victorian Gray]

These questions are stupid.

Where do you think the money for this Drag Club is coming from?
Who do you think is going to run it?

"These parents are using and abusing him."

So you've known these people for a few years then? Have you talked to them about your feelings on the matter? What was their reaction?

 

[woolfe9998]

Seems pretty clear to me. I can ask it a different way.

What harm would there be with two 12 year old children having sex?

Answer to yours, its not an age but a maturity level. Its almost impossible to measure each person, so society came up with an age that it felt most people would have met that maturity level. I think 18 is probably too high, but not by too much.

Apart from the issue of unwanted pregnancy and STD's, which kids are at greater risk for because they may not be aware of birth control, sex involves emotional intimacy with another person that a 12 year old isn't prepared for. Cross-dressing isn't an intimate act. It's an act of self-expression. The only downside I can see is the kid might be bullied by his peers. Because of this, I personally wouldn't allow it for a 10 year old child of my own, would probably make them wait until high school to make that decision. But that doesn't mean I consider it child abuse for another parent to allow it.

To me this is a matter between parent and child. I don't see the general public interest here. What I see is the Daily Fail yet again fear mongering to cultural conservatives. They like to raise the trans boogeyman the same way they do with Muslims.