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[Samus]

Unfortunately semi-automatic riffles are illegal in my City (Chicago) and I'm only allowed a semi-auto handgun.

 

[tcsenter]

You misinterpreted your wikipedia link. There is no mandate that the state issue a permit.

Wrong. "Required" doesn't mean 'optional', it means required. The state MUST issue a permit or be forced to do so by court order. Shall issue expressly gives applicants the power to seek court remedy and force officials to grant the license.

The fact there are disqualifying criteria is NOT a rebuttal when I explicitly stated certain requisites must be met, typically a background check and a training course:

"For a shall-issue gun law, authorities (usually the local police) are required to issue a concealed carry permit to any individual who request it if he meets the state's issuance criteria, often a background check and a safety class."

What do you think the purpose of a background check is...just for curiosity? The purpose of the background check is to verify the applicant has no disqualifying history. Those disqualifying factors are expressly codified by the law in an objective manner. This is in contrast to discretionary gun permits ("may issue") where the licensing official may deny an applicant because he parts his hair wrong, is banging his ex-wife, has a nicer house, or hasn't made a sizable contribution to the election campaign of the sheriff (as Genessee County Sheriff Joe Wilson was convicted of doing in Michigan a few years ago).

The principle tenet of shall issue is that licensing authorities can not require the applicant demonstrate, prove, or explain any particularized "need" for a permit. It is strictly pro forma, exactly like a driver's license. If you meet objective criteria such as the minimum age, no felony or specific misdemeanor convictions, the state MUST give you a gun permit just like it MUST give you a driver's license or be forced to do so by a court.

The fact I didn't spell out every conceivable disqualifying condition for all 34 states has no bearing on the fact there are 34 shall issue states where the state is not merely 'allowed' but required to grant a CCW permit to applicants who meet requisite criteria, which do not include showing any particular 'need' or 'justification' for carrying a gun.

Do some research next time. Let's get you started, The same permit is required to carry effective concentrations of mace as is required to carry a concealed handgun. Want to carry a fishing knife on your belt over a certain length? Guess what permit you need. Want to keep a .38 for hunting in your trunk? Guess what permit you need.

lol! You mean research like this?

STATE OF FLORIDA - TITLE XLVI
Chapter 790. WEAPONS AND FIREARMS

790.01 Carrying concealed weapons.--

(1) Except as provided in subsection (4), a person who carries a concealed weapon or electric weapon or device on or about his or her person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(2) A person who carries a concealed firearm on or about his or her person commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) This section does not apply to a person licensed to carry a concealed weapon or a concealed firearm pursuant to the provisions of s. 790.06.

(4) It is not a violation of this section for a person to carry for purposes of lawful self-defense, in a concealed manner:

(a) A self-defense chemical spray.

(b) A nonlethal stun gun or remote stun gun or other nonlethal electric weapon or device which does not fire a dart or projectile and is designed solely for defensive purposes.[/u]

Florida law does not require a permit to carry a knife, stun gun, or defensive chemical spray. Florida law only requires a permit to carry a firearm. On the issue of knives, there is no law criminalizing the possession or use of knives in Florida, of any length, whether they are concealed or open carried.

If Florida does not require a concealed weapons permit to carry a knife, stun gun, or pepper spray, why would any person go through the considerable expense and trouble of acquiring a permit for something they can already carry legally? [owned...again]

Incidentally, I know for a fact you're lying because I live in PA, and guess what. I know SEVERAL people who have been denied even ownership licenses based on a psych eval, despite passing a background check. (Of course the psych eval now shows up on their background checks, but NOT on a criminal background check.)

Oh hey, I know people who have known people that knew someone...blah blah blah. Your anecdote is a piss-poor substitution for a link to a verifiable source, as I've given numerous times. Put up or shut up. PA is a bona fide shall issue state that must approve a permit to carry a concealed weapon to qualified applications or be forced to by a court. Can you prove otherwise without your useless "uncle's friend's wife's brother" stories?

Oh and you might want to look up the famous case where the supreme court ruled that firing on a fleeing suspect without reason to believe he intended to harm you or someone else was unconstitutional. Funny thing, US Constitution trumps state law.

You mean this one?

Supreme Court Makes it Easier for Cops to Shoot Fleeing Suspects

Court Sides With Police Over Deadly Force

The 'famous' case to which you're referring was in regards to fleeing misdemeanant suspects, not fleeing felons. Thanks for playing, try again.

I think I've figured you out. You're really a progunner covertly tossing me softballs to make antigunners look like idiots, right? I thought so. Dude, you don't have to use such deceptive tactics to make antigunners look like idiots, they do a good enough job of that all by themselves. You had me going there for a while! Woot!

 

[huesmann]

P&N, people, P&N.

 

[Lithan]

No, it regarded a fleeing suspect of a felony.

"Q. What kinds of weapons are included in the concealed weapons law?
A. The Jack Hagler Self-defense Act defines concealed weapons or firearms as follows: handguns, electronic weapons or devices, tear gas guns, knives and billies."

Excuse me if I trust Florida's DACS more than you.

Might want to have a look around the site. They also have a list of about fifteen instances where they hold the right to deny someone a CWL. So much for your definition of the "Shall Issue" assignment.

Tell me, does it hurt your self-esteem to be wrong all the time? You got one thing right, I'm very pro-gun rights. I'm a hunter and a collector. I'm against laws whose only purpose is to form vague distinctions that will be easily exploited to be used as an excuse for violent rednecks to commit murder because they are insecure about their manhood and/or want to make the (Insert racial slur) pay.

 

[Lithan]

Originally posted by: Samus
Unfortunately semi-automatic riffles are illegal in my City (Chicago) and I'm only allowed a semi-auto handgun.

These are actually semi-auto and pump-action shotguns. Which are almost certainly legal. They are mostly for hunting and scaring people who weren't smart enough to buy a handgun before breaking into your house. Might not even require a permit.

 

[tcsenter]

No, it regarded a fleeing suspect of a felony.

Ok, I'll take your word for it. It seems we'll have to, because "proof", "sources". or "support" are beyond your comprehension.

"Q. What kinds of weapons are included in the concealed weapons law?
A. The Jack Hagler Self-defense Act defines concealed weapons or firearms as follows: handguns, electronic weapons or devices, tear gas guns, knives and billies."

Excuse me if I trust Florida's DACS more than you.

I reprinted the text of the Florida statute directly from the text of the Florida statute.

The statute "defines" concealed weapons as tasers, chemical defense sprays, or knives, it DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT for tasers, chemical defense sprays, knives or billies. I showed you where Florida law specifically EXEMPTS these types of weapons from the licensing requirement. Are you high?

Might want to have a look around the site. They also have a list of about fifteen instances where they hold the right to deny someone a CWL.

Which does not contradict a single word I've written here.

Tell me, does it hurt your self-esteem to be wrong all the time?

Please stop, I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you, as though I'm beating up on the retarded kid who wears a hockey helmet and rides the short bus to school or something.

 

[ECartman]

Beretta .... sweet

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: Dre

Originally posted by: magnux

Originally posted by: fitzov

Originally posted by: magnux
Kickass! Just in time, too.. Gov. Bush just finished signing the "Meet Force With Force" bill!

What about states that don't allow ordianry citizens to carry firearms?

Not a problem, just pick up one of these as well.

Or pick up one of these:
link

Great, now I can combine my marital aides with my nightsticks.

 

[cookj]

Some S.O.B. try to rob me and I wouldn't think twice about shooting him/her in the back ,front or wherever. I know someone that was shot by a theif without doing anything to provoke it.



Jackie

 

[webley]

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I understand that in most places you are responsible for making sure no stray projectiles you shoot leave your residence to harm others. This is done by using the right kind if ammo and with a low enough energy to keep it in the walls.
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While this is true, it couldn't hurt to have adequate training also. Instead of teaching our children that guns are "bad", we should be educating them on their proper handling and use. We allow 16 year old kids to get behind the wheel of 4000lb SUV's but it's taboo to teach them about firearms. Just silly.

I totally agree. My post above was in support of guns for self defense.

Are semi-auto rifles really illegal in Chicago? That's really sad if true as that is a very important class of firearms.. can you even own a Ruger 10/22 teensy rimfire?

Comprehensive firearms bans cause violent crime and property crime to skyrocket in the nations that have them... In England, because of the strict gun laws criminals break into homes during the day while people are home.

I hope they will reverse their huge gun ban that Tony Blair helped inflict on their people. I still wonder why the English and Autralian people didn't fight harder against that blatant socialist gun confiscation event and why the governing officials were so happy to do it ( as if copying Adolf Hitler's gun confiscation from the Jews in 1938).

A critical fact that gun control proponents fail to understand is that firearms are easily made in small machine shops and so the criminals will always have access to them and therefore only the lawful citizens are disarmed with gun control actions who then become helpless targets for crime.


Many crime victims (in America) decide to get a gun for protection only after they have been victimized. It's similar to how burglary survivors decide to get their first home security system after being robbed. People can be smart and instead decide to be proactive and arm themselves before being attacked or robbed. (even though the chances of either happening are very low as most people are good guys)


One of the best reasons to get a firearm if you don't yet own one is to get involved in the shooting sports. If you've never tried them you don't know what you're missing! Even casual shooting at a range is great fun and if you like you can meet lots of nice people. If you use a 22 rimfire pistol or rifle you can shoot all day for only a few dollars in cartridges. I've tried almost every sport from tennis to rock climbing and shooting sports are by far my favorite!