1070 Release Date/NDA

[seitur]

1. When NDA is going to be taken off? (and thus tests/reviews will surface)

2. When it is going to be released?


Lot of talk about 1070 all over the place, but I haven't saw answer to this basic questions anywhere.

 

[Arachnotronic]

1. When NDA is going to be taken off? (and thus tests/reviews will surface)

2. When it is going to be released?


Lot of talk about 1070 all over the place, but I haven't saw answer to this basic questions nowhere.

2. June 10.

 

[RussianSensation]

It's very strange that 1080 reviews went live 10 days before official retail launch, but 1070 reviews will only show up June 10th. Something tells me 1070 is a lot better than its specs suggest, possibly because both cards have 64 ROPs and stock memory bandwidth is 25% higher on the 1080. I suppose if $400-450 AIB 1070 cards come with 15-20% higher boost clocks (say Gaming G1/Xtreme), the card could come dangerously close to a $699 GTX1080 FE?

I heard MSI Gaming 1070 may come with GDDR5X. If so, that could be the 1070 to get.

 

[Shmee]

It's very strange that 1080 reviews went live 10 days before official retail launch, but 1070 reviews will only show up June 10th. Something tells me 1070 is a lot better than its specs suggest, possibly because both cards have 64 ROPs and stock memory bandwidth is 25% higher on the 1080. I suppose if $400-450 AIB 1070 cards come with 15-20% higher boost clocks (say Gaming G1/Xtreme), the card could come dangerously close to a $699 GTX1080 FE?

I heard MSI Gaming 1070 may come with GDDR5X. If so, that could be the 1070 to get.

Hmm, you raise a very good point, custom cards could make either the 1080 or 1070 very interesting depending on features added, such as faster memory, more memory, or additional power delivery options for OC, and of course custom coolers.

If the reference 1080 comes with a single 8 pin, it may be power limited on OC. Imagine a custom PCB 1080, say, 3 8 pins, under water! Sure, it may draw > 300 W, but imagine the OC potential if you can cool it! Provided the silicon scales well with the extra juice.

 

[boozzer]

It's very strange that 1080 reviews went live 10 days before official retail launch, but 1070 reviews will only show up June 10th. Something tells me 1070 is a lot better than its specs suggest, possibly because both cards have 64 ROPs and stock memory bandwidth is 25% higher on the 1080. I suppose if $400-450 AIB 1070 cards come with 15-20% higher boost clocks (say Gaming G1/Xtreme), the card could come dangerously close to a $699 GTX1080 FE?

I heard MSI Gaming 1070 may come with GDDR5X. If so, that could be the 1070 to get.

it is why all the people in charge of the used hardware sales places are telling everyone to hold off on buying cheap used 980 ti. those places got some nice admins. no one knows the performance of polaris or 1070. even if they are just the same performance and the same price as used 980 ti would make polaris or 1070 the better buy.

 

[sirmo]

It's very strange that 1080 reviews went live 10 days before official retail launch, but 1070 reviews will only show up June 10th. Something tells me 1070 is a lot better than its specs suggest, possibly because both cards have 64 ROPs and stock memory bandwidth is 25% higher on the 1080. I suppose if $400-450 AIB 1070 cards come with 15-20% higher boost clocks (say Gaming G1/Xtreme), the card could come dangerously close to a $699 GTX1080 FE?

I heard MSI Gaming 1070 may come with GDDR5X. If so, that could be the 1070 to get.

I get the vibe that Nvidia is trying really hard to distinguish 1070 from 1080 so that it doesn't cannibalize 1080 sales. Somehow I doubt they would ok sticking GDDR5X VRAM on 1070.

 

[Ken g6]

Counterpoint from another thread:

"Reviewed before release"?

It happens all the time with video games, CPUs, NUCs .. all kinds of media, goods, services. They allow early reviews when they are confident of the product. They embargo until release day when the product is not so good.

Which would imply the 1070 is a little too cut-down. :/

 

[xthetenth]

I wonder if they're holding on to the reviews to keep the "Faster than Titan X (in VR)" idea alive and it's not at all faster. Too good and too bad are both options.

 

[raghu78]

It's very strange that 1080 reviews went live 10 days before official retail launch, but 1070 reviews will only show up June 10th. Something tells me 1070 is a lot better than its specs suggest, possibly because both cards have 64 ROPs and stock memory bandwidth is 25% higher on the 1080. I suppose if $400-450 AIB 1070 cards come with 15-20% higher boost clocks (say Gaming G1/Xtreme), the card could come dangerously close to a $699 GTX1080 FE?

I heard MSI Gaming 1070 may come with GDDR5X. If so, that could be the 1070 to get.

the GTX 1080 is made from the GP104-400-A1 chip while the GTX 1070 is using the GP104-200-A1. You cannot just swap memory chips in and out with a GPU. There is a lot of validation required for GDDR5X which the GTX 1070 chips would not have undergone.

I think the gap between the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 is going to be around 25% juast as we saw between GTX 760 and GTX 770. The lower bandwidth will show up significantly in 4K benchmarks and 1440p to some extent. 1080p should be closer. Overall the GTX 1070 should be 5% faster than Titan X. I doubt GTX 1070 OC can beat a GTX 980 Ti OC when both are clocked to max.

But we all know Nvidia's driver support for Maxwell will start to make the difference going forward. Add to it gamworks which will focus on features which use Pascal's architectural strengths and target Maxwell weakness and we will see Maxwell fade away just like Kepler.

 

[Arachnotronic]

the GTX 1080 is made from the GP104-400-A1 chip while the GTX 1070 is using the GP104-200-A1. You cannot just swap memory chips in and out with a GPU. There is a lot of validation required for GDDR5X which the GTX 1070 chips would not have undergone.

I think the gap between the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 is going to be around 25% juast as we saw between GTX 760 and GTX 770. The lower bandwidth will show up significantly in 4K benchmarks and 1440p to some extent. 1080p should be closer. Overall the GTX 1070 should be 5% faster than Titan X. I doubt GTX 1070 OC can beat a GTX 980 Ti OC when both are clocked to max.

But we all know Nvidia's driver support for Maxwell will start to make the difference going forward. Add to it gamworks which will focus on features which use Pascal's architectural strengths and target Maxwell weakness and we will see Maxwell fade away just like Kepler.

There's not a ton of difference between Pascal and Maxwell architecturally, dude. Pascal has better memory compression tech, better media engine, and a highly optimized physical layout.

But from a uArch standpoint what's good for Pascal should be good for Maxwell. What you are saying is just unsubstantiated FUD, IMO.

 

[Kenmitch]

There's not a ton of difference between Pascal and Maxwell architecturally, dude. Pascal has better memory compression tech, better media engine, and a highly optimized physical layout.

But from a uArch standpoint what's good for Pascal should be good for Maxwell. What you are saying is just unsubstantiated FUD, IMO.

The huge clockspeed differences will play a roll most likely. It's too early to see what Nvidia plans on doing with Pascal vs Maxwells performance at this time. From a business perspective I could see them using their super duper gpu simulator rig running different scenarios trying to figure out the perfect balance as I type....On another note they could also do nothing and start mimicking AMD'S lasting power....Time will tell in the end I guess.

 

[MrTeal]

the GTX 1080 is made from the GP104-400-A1 chip while the GTX 1070 is using the GP104-200-A1. You cannot just swap memory chips in and out with a GPU. There is a lot of validation required for GDDR5X which the GTX 1070 chips would not have undergone.

I think the gap between the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 is going to be around 25% juast as we saw between GTX 760 and GTX 770. The lower bandwidth will show up significantly in 4K benchmarks and 1440p to some extent. 1080p should be closer. Overall the GTX 1070 should be 5% faster than Titan X. I doubt GTX 1070 OC can beat a GTX 980 Ti OC when both are clocked to max.

But we all know Nvidia's driver support for Maxwell will start to make the difference going forward. Add to it gamworks which will focus on features which use Pascal's architectural strengths and target Maxwell weakness and we will see Maxwell fade away just like Kepler.

GP104-200 and GP104-400 are the same chip, they just have certain parts fused off due to yields and product differentiation. The chip is obviously tested and validated with both types of memory, and should be able to support both types of memory in the same way that Cape Verde XT shipped with GDDR5 but Pro shipped with either GDDR5 or DDR3.
Now, if nVidia lasered off part of the MC at the same time as the CC's or their contract with the AIB's precludes using G5X on the cut down part, that would be a diffferent story.