1080 Ti? Wait for Vega? Curious what you guys think.

[w3rd]

If Vega is indeed two months out, you can rest assured it won't be faster than the 1080Ti. If it were, we'd have leaks all over the place. So basically if you want 1080ti performance, you have two options.

1080Ti, Titan X

U kno nutting jon snow...

 

[Det0x]

How many leaks did we have about GP102 before it got released ? ^^

 

[Qwertilot]

As the Pascal Titan? Not many at all. Obviously once the Titan existed then.....

 

[2is]

How many leaks did we have about GP102 before it got released ? ^^

A very good one. We had the version of the card with the early adopter tax. The same leak we've had for the past several nVIida generations.

 

[Arachnotronic]

A very good one. We had the version of the card with the early adopter tax. The same leak we've had for the past several nVIida generations.

ROFL!

 

[Det0x]

A very good one. We had the version of the card with the early adopter tax. The same leak we've had for the past several nVIida generations.

The GP102 first got released as Pascal Titan, so my question still stands, how many leaks did we have about it before it got released ?
And please don't deflect this time.

If Vega is indeed two months out, you can rest assured it won't be faster than the 1080Ti. If it were, we'd have leaks all over the place. So basically if you want 1080ti performance, you have two options

Either you are spewing nonsense, or do you mean this feat is only possible if your wearing a leather jacket and goes by the name of Jen-Hsun Huang ?
Make up your mind.

 

[2is]

The GP102 first got released as Pascal Titan, so my question still stands, who many leaks did we have about it before it got released ?
And please don't deflect this time.



Either you are spewing nonsense, or do you mean this feat is only possible for Nvidia ?
Make up your mind

Not many, nor did nVidia need it. They had the fastest card with the 1080 as well as the 2nd and 3rd fastest cards with the 1070 and 980Ti

My mind is made up, no need for leaks when your mainstream card as well as your last gen enthusiast card is kicking the shit out of the competition.

Cut the BS, I like that. Lets cut the BS. You up for a wager or is your fanboyism limited to talk with zero confidence in your preferred brand?




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[Arachnotronic]

The GP102 first got released as Pascal Titan, so my question still stands, how many leaks did we have about it before it got released ?
And please don't deflect this time.



Either you are spewing nonsense, or do you mean this feat is only possible if your wearing a leather jacket and goes by the name of Jen-Hsun Huang ?
Make up your mind.

GP102 was known about a rumored for some time before launch, plenty of indications that it was GP104*1.5. Not hard to extrapolate perf from that.

 

[Det0x]

Not many, nor did nVidia need it.

Do you imply its the manufactures them-self as in AMD/Nvidia, thats leaking the information ?

Just to sum up this conversation:

1. AMD cant release a card faster then 1080Ti because there are no leaks.
2. Nvidia can release a card like Pascal Titan with no leaks, because they are Nvidia

At Least you're consistent if nothing else

Cut the BS, I like that. Lets cut the BS. You up for a wager or is your fanboyism limited to talk with zero confidence in your preferred brand?

I have nothing to gain from a wager with you, but by all means, let's hear it.
By the way, this "red fanboy" as you alluded to, is running a Nvidia card, how about that ? o_0

 

[ddogg]

Considering that Nvidia did that with the 780 and then the 980, I think we all knew it was only a matter of time before the full fat Pascal chip would get released. Nvidia doesn't need leaks when even their 980Ti is still dominating the competition.

 

[2is]

Do you imply its the manufactures them-self as in AMD/Nvidia, thats leaking the information ?

Just to sum up this conversation:

1. AMD cant release a card faster then 1080Ti because there are no leaks.
2. Nvidia can release a card like Pascal Titan with no leaks, because they are Nvidia

At Least you're consistent if nothing else

I have nothing to gain from a wager with you, but by all means, let's hear it.

If AMD had a faster card up it's sleeve, we would have leaks because they would want to generate excitement. 1080Ti is on fire, they can't keep them in stock, every one sold is a potential lost sale for AMD. nVidia is not and was not in such a position, any leaks would only cannibalize their own product that's already on the market. That's the difference, hopefully that was elementary enough for you to grasp.

Sure you do, if you win you get something out of it. I propose a $20 Amazon GC. If Vega is on average faster than 1080Ti, I gift you a $20 Amazon GC. If 1080Ti is on average faster than Vega, you gift me a $20 Amazon GC. We will look at 1440p and 4K performance. You pick one review site, I'll pick another. These would need to be picked and agreed upon by both parties prior to the review of Vega.

If we can both agree on a single review to simplify it, I'm ok with that as well. I personally like Guru3D reviews. They test a bunch of games and have a nice amount of DX12 content in there too.

 

[crisium]

Time for the guess the Vega-performance-thread already? I think it's too soon to be committed to cat food.

But I have an idea for one for later. Use 1440p (most common enthusiast res) and average the performance benchmarks of the aggregate index sites (TPU, computerbase, sweclockers).

If Vega is 100%, then what % is 1080 Ti?

Furthest off eats cat food.

 

[Det0x]

If AMD had a faster card up it's sleeve, we would have leaks because they would want to generate excitement. 1080Ti is on fire, they can't keep them in stock, every one sold is a potential lost sale for AMD. nVidia is not and was not in such a position, any leaks would only cannibalize their own product that's already on the market. That's the difference, hopefully that was elementary enough for you to grasp.

Then let me ask you this, how many leaks did we have pre Ryzen R7 release, showing its full potential (read clockspeed) ? Speculated performance was ~1ghz below release speed, at one point in time.
The market position was exactly the same as in your scenario.

your fanboyism limited to talk with zero confidence in your preferred brand

And please, if you want to have discussion about this, stop with the ad hominem attacks.

Sure you do, if you win you get something out of it. I propose a $20 Amazon GC. If Vega is on average faster than 1080Ti, I gift you a $20 Amazon GC. If 1080Ti is on average faster than Vega, you gift me a $20 Amazon GC. We will look at 1440p and 4K performance. You pick one review site, I'll pick another. These would need to be picked and agreed upon by both parties prior to the review of Vega.

Your $20 Amazon GC have no value for me, as every other Norwegian.

But i can give you my best guesstimate for free, top SKU Vega will beat Pascal Titan in "AMD friendly" games as Valantar so so elegantly put it.

 

[2is]

Then let me ask you this, how many leaks did we have pre Ryzen R7 release, showing its full potential (read clockspeed) ? Speculated performance was ~1ghz below release speed, at one point in time.
The market position was exactly the same as in your scenario.

Your $20 Amazon GC have no value for me, as every other Norwegian.

But i can give you my best guesstimate for free, top SKU Vega will beat Pascal Titan in "AMD friendly" games as Valantar so so elegantly put it.

A lot more then we have for Vega. Remember the cinebench deal? That alone is more then we have seen from Vega.

So basically, you just admitted that 1080Ti will be on average faster then Vega with your "AMD friendly" qualification.

Do you normally argue points you actually agree with or was this a first?

 

[moonbogg]

Time for the guess the Vega-performance-thread already? I think it's too soon to be committed to cat food.

But I have an idea for one for later. Use 1440p (most common enthusiast res) and average the performance benchmarks of the aggregate index sites (TPU, computerbase, sweclockers).

If Vega is 100%, then what % is 1080 Ti?

Furthest off eats cat food.

This is indeed how real men wager. Gift cards...pfft. I want to see some 9 lives getting smashed down the hatch.

 

[Det0x]

A lot more then we have for Vega. Remember the cinebench deal? That alone is more then we have seen from Vega.

Ryzen was showcased by AMD pre-release, with much lower clocks then once released.
Vega was showcased by AMD pre-release, with very possible lower performance/clocks then once released, in fact more than likely*.

Do you see the similarities between these two releases ?

So basically, you just admitted that 1080Ti will be on average faster then Vega with your "AMD friendly" qualification.

Don't put words in my mouth, let my sentences speak on its own merit.

I think Vega could be much faster then Pascal Titan depending on what game you are benching it in.
GP102 could very well to be faster in games using old 2011 tech, while getting rekted in newer games. (dx12/vulcan)

Do you normally argue points you actually agree with or was this a first?

I object when nonsense are left unchallenged, when its only purpose is to bolster a specific agenda, hence:

+1
I would also like to see that quote

Just to sum up this conversation:

1. AMD cant release a card faster then 1080Ti because there are no leaks.
2. Nvidia can release a card like Pascal Titan with no leaks, because they are Nvidia

At Least you're consistent if nothing else

* = You can be the judge if AMD is underselling their performance @ http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/vega-navi-rumors.2486940/page-63#post-38803933
We are also getting very much off-topic, so i will try to leave it at that

 

[Newbian]

Where did AMD said that ?? any links ?

Multiple performance posts running games and such that they have shown is around that area so far from what we have seen.

 

[Krteq]

Yep, Vega ES running on Fiji driver in debug mode - they actually said this to PCGH redactor during demoing Vega in Doom.

 

[Rifter]

Its 2 months away, unless i needed it immediately id wait and see what Vega offers.

Best case scenario its roughly as good or better than nvidia offerings and prices get adjusted possible even price war and you save some cash whichever way you decide to go. Worst case it bombs and you get a 1080ti anyways, at least in 2 months the AIB boards will all be out and available and there will be a better selection.

 

[RoarTiger]

No one really knows how well AMD will perform at this point. If you want a guarantee, just go NVIDIA, you can buy something today and even if you dont have the performance lead in two months at least you will still have many more forum friends.

 

[chubbyfatazn]

Furthest off eats cat food.

This is indeed how real men wager.

You weren't kidding... lol

Best Buy will sell reference cards for over $700. If they don't, I will eat a handful of cat food and post proof right here in this thread.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/best-buy-price-for-gtx-1080-fe.2474218/

 

[ddogg]

LOL... that is great!

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[Sonikku]

Sonikku used a Radeon 7770 for years because there was always something better on the horizon. Sonikku regrets waiting so long.

Sonikku says get a Ti now.

 

[biostud]

There will always be something faster so you just have to ask yourself, how much are you willing to pay? what kind of performance do you need? and do you need it now?

I would like a new videocard and monitor, but since my 7990 works fine and play the games I like and no hdr monitors are out now, I'm going wait.

 

[sandorski]

RE: Vega more hushed than Ryzen: AMD has been competitive with Nvidia with each generation except 4x0 where they chose not to compete at the high end. AMD has not been competitive with Intel for 10ish+ years. They have a lot more to gain with Ryzen than with Vega, even if Vega is faster than the 1080ti.